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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:41 am    Post subject: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

So I've had June Bug now for about 2 months--long enough to get to know her and figure out what needs attention. I've found crazy things like a mattress topper being used as a convertible top pad, $5 shift rod bushings that aren't there and take 4 hours to re-install, numerous missing engine tin pieces and weird Frankenstein monsters of old FI parts mixed with random carb tins, fuel gauges that needed low- and high-side calibration, and numerous odd issues with cheap Chinese distributors and carburetors not working well with each other. I appreciate all the feedback from this forum helping me understand these things, and especially Bill Fowler and Tim@volkzbitz for support and excellent quality rebuilt parts.

I also realized that I'm a relentless perfectionist, and that I'm going to have to sink some serious cash into this bug to make it feel "right". Shocked

As the weather finally gets cold in Durham, NC, I decided it was time to park June Bug and tackle a full engine tear down. While I'm at it, I'm going to address some cosmetic issues on the interior that will make it feel like mine.

My goals:

-engine removal and teardown, for sure rebuilding the top end and inspecting the bottom end to see what it needs. I have no engine history, no sense of mileage. All I know is the compression is on the low end (~100 psi on each cylinder), it's starting to puff smoke when I start it, and half the engine tins are missing or wrong. While I'm in there I'll bring the tins up to stock and install the thermostat and flaps.I suspect I'll end up doing a full bottom end rebuild, align boring the case--which I hope is not cracked.

-replace all exhaust and heat exchangers with good quality German or reproduction parts (currently cheap, rusty aftermarket parts that don't fit well) and get the heat working again

-inspect and likely replace clutch. The cable has been adjusted almost all the way up, and I still have more than 1" of pedal play before it engages. It shifts fairly well, but everything shudders when I'm starting from a dead stop. Hoping nothing in there is warped, but I may have oil leaks at the main seal.

-install a new Procar Elite interior kit, gray vinyl

-install new gray canvas convertible top (Sew Fine) and matching salt and pepper loop carpet.

-address numerous annoying issues that are the result of poor maintenance and jury-rigged "fixes"

-add 5.5" smoothie chrome rims and some wider performance tires all around.

I'll be posting progress and questions here!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

Day 1.

Yesterday I tore into the EC, removing everything but the long block.

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I realize that this process would have been easier with the engine out, but I was working alone. My helper comes over tomorrow to drop the block out. I also don't have jack stands tall enough to accommodate dropping the engine with the fan shroud attached, so this will make that process much easier.

Major finds at this stage:

1-2 cylinder tin is cracked where it mounts to the head. Will need to replace that.

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Missing tins: right sled, thermostat, flaps
Damaged rear engine tin.

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Rear apron has been welded in from another car (very poorly in my un-expert opinion).

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Given this, the damage to the rear tin, a serious dent in the left heat exchanger shroud, and a mildly compressed left bumper shock, I think it's safe to say this car got hit on the left rear at some point. My left and right tins have never engaged the EC rubber seal well--I'm hoping the EC is not misshapen from the collision. The gap at the front edge of my FI tin on both sides could be explained by mushrooming deformation at the front of the EC.

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Intake manifolds were barely torqued down--no more than a few foot pounds--and there was no gasket sealer on the metal gaskets. I wonder if this explains my persistent rough idle (vacuum leak)?

My heat riser is an odd version, part number 043 129 701 B, with a larger than normal vacuum port under the carb. Google has few hits on this part and they are mostly in Dutch, but apparently that vacuum port is for a brake booster. But the riser pipes are completely open! Nice surprise.

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Here is a real puzzler: this is a 76 car, and the engine case is a Brazilian AS21 replacement that I suspect was added sometime in the 90's or 2000's. But the oil cooler is the upright version that Bentley says was only used in the 1970 engines. And my fan shroud has no oil cooler bump out. Should I replace the shroud and cooler with the newer side-mounted version to improve cooling?

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Finally, what is this red grommet under one of my case bolts? Looks like it doesn't belong there.

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This is going to be fun!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

Well, one never know what will be found when purchasing an old VW. I didn't have this "experience" as my two VWs were just a couple of years old when I got them as 2nd owner in the 1970s.

Yes, you have the pre-1971 non-doghouse oil cooler. I would absolutely change over to doghouse stuff, and find a good used German doghouse fan shroud if possible.

Your 1976 will need the 1975-on cylinder shrouds due to the different body shape used, so you'd likely need to fix yours or hunt down used ones.

I use metal intake manifold to head gaskets, but use NO sealant there.

Good news is that you got the exhaust off without breaking any cylinder head studs, good job. I like the smaller-wrench-size brass nuts for those myself, same thread size.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

That intake manifold is for a Type2 (bus) from what I can find. Makes sense as as far as I know, only the type2 ever had a brake booster. Never on a Type1.

If you can find it (shouldn't be too hard) I would definitely upgrade to the doghouse style fan shroud and oil cooler. Try to get the later 70s one (also will come with the venturi "Velocity" ring for the fan intake for even better cooling.
Always some in the classifieds. Get Old german shrouds, with intake flaps/linkages if possible.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

AlmostHeavenWV_VW wrote:
That intake manifold is for a Type2 (bus) from what I can find. Makes sense as as far as I know, only the type2 ever had a brake booster. Never on a Type1.



This makes sense. Is there any reason I shouldn't use it on my Beetle? I need to find a better solution to cap the brake booster plug, or ideally to reduce it for a standard vacuum hose, which I need for the 73 air cleaner I'm installing.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

The problem with wider tires on a Super is the alignment, struts (you will want to add a strut tower brace), and steering linkage need to be in better than stock shape or you will get the Dreaded Super Shimmies when you hit 50 MPH. Stock width tires work best on a stock super. The top is fairly easy EXCEPT putting in the rear window as the top gives when your helper is putting pressure on it while you pull the cord unlike a sedan which is easy.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

An intake manifold like that was also used on autostickshift cars to provide vacuum for the clutch servo.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

Yesterday I drained the transmission fluid. Hypoid oil looked like it was in good shape--not cloudy. But since the 17 mm hex head bolt was full of the original undercoating, I suspect that the fluid had never been drained. Is it possible that this is a 43 year old transmission that has never been rebuilt? It shifts fine, though the 1st and 2nd gear synchronizers are very picky about speed. Can put it into 2nd unless I'm going less than 5 mph.

The magnet on the underside of the bolt had about 1/8" of iron filings on it. See below before and after cleaning:


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Will this work for replacement oil?

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There is an odd port capped off on the back of my case, lower right (below oil pump housing). Size and shape of an exhaust port but it goes into the oil sump area of the case. This isn't pictured in images of most dual relief type 1 cases. What is this for?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

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Will this work for replacement oil?

That Valvoline gear oil should be fine. I have an inexpensive pump that fits onto such bottles to pump into the transaxle fill hole; I use a small curved length of copper tubing in the end of the plastic tubing of the pump to retain it in the fill hole.


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Is it possible that this is a 43 year old transmission that has never been rebuilt?

Yes.

My 1971's transmission is original, and has never been out of the VW (I bought it in 1976, I'm 2nd owner).


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It shifts fine, though the 1st and 2nd gear synchronizers are very picky about speed. Can't put it into 2nd unless I'm going less than 5 mph.

Mine still shifts fine, on upshifts and on downshifts. It would be your decision on whether you want to install a rebuilt transmission or wait for more to go bad. Personally - if it wasn't too annoying, I'd just drive it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

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There is an odd port capped off on the back of my case, lower right (below oil pump housing). Size and shape of an exhaust port but it goes into the oil sump area of the case. This isn't pictured in images of most dual relief type 1 cases. What is this for?

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You have either a universal case or a Type 3 case. That plate is where the oil filler tube bolts on in a Type 3.

I'm leaning toward universal replacement case because a case that started life as a genuine Type 3 case would have an engine number stamped on the top alongside the case seam.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

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You have either a universal case or a Type 3 case. That plate is where the oil filler tube bolts on in a Type 3.

I'm leaning toward universal replacement case because a case that started life as a genuine Type 3 case would have an engine number stamped on the top alongside the case seam.


Thanks, this makes sense!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

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virusdoc wrote:
Is it possible that this is a 43 year old transmission that has never been rebuilt?

Yes.

My 1971's transmission is original, and has never been out of the VW (I bought it in 1976, I'm 2nd owner).

Mine still shifts fine, on upshifts and on downshifts. It would be your decision on whether you want to install a rebuilt transmission or wait for more to go bad. Personally - if it wasn't too annoying, I'd just drive it.


It's not too annoying to me. It sometimes annoys the people behind me when I need to slow WAY down to get into 2nd gear after completing a turn. But I can live with it.

I'm thoroughly impressed with the longevity of your transmission (and mine, if it is in fact the original). It must be simple and well engineered.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: 76 Convertible Rebuild Thread Reply with quote

Engine is out and block completely disassembled and cleaned!

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No major surprises. Removing the gland nut required a solid two minutes of pounding with an air impact wrench, but off it came. Didn't even really need to lock the flywheel.

Top end had visible rust in the cylinder heads, and heavily on the jug fins, on #2 and #4. Any reason why this should be there only on those? Rain coming in through the hood vent? I'm surprised the rust made it into the cylinders themselves, and that likely accelerated ring wear.

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Some good news in the AS21 Brazilian universal case:

Crankshaft journals are quite smooth and will likely only need a polish.
Piston rods were all within tolerance for clearance to the crank -- 0.015" was the biggest gap at rod #1. The other three are 0.010-0.012.

No obvious cracks in the usual places. My #3 area under the flywheel does not have the built up case material, but looked free of cracks there and in the corresponding internal areas.

A couple of my case savers seem to have backed out a bit, or were never installed flush with the case surface. They are about 1 mm above flush. Is this an issue?

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Not surprisingly, the bearing seats in the case have been pounded to the point that the bearing stamps are clearly visible in the case material. I'll take the case, crank, and camshaft to my machine shop tomorrow for inspection and likely align bore.
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0.015" = STRETCHED ROD AND THE OTHERS ARE BAD TOO
OR DO YOU MEAN 0.0015" WHICH IS OK? oops cap lock was on lol
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0.015" = STRETCHED ROD AND THE OTHERS ARE BAD TOO
OR DO YOU MEAN 0.0015" WHICH IS OK? oops cap lock was on lol


No, I meant 0.015”, or 0.381 mm. Wilson’s Rebuilding guide says the spec is 0.004-0.016” with a 0.027 wear limit.
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Starbucket wrote:
0.015" = STRETCHED ROD AND THE OTHERS ARE BAD TOO
OR DO YOU MEAN 0.0015" WHICH IS OK? oops cap lock was on lol


If Wilson's book is wrong please let me know. I'm planning on re-using these connecting rods.
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Starbucket wrote:
0.015" = STRETCHED ROD AND THE OTHERS ARE BAD TOO
OR DO YOU MEAN 0.0015" WHICH IS OK? oops cap lock was on lol


If Wilson's book is wrong please let me know. I'm planning on re-using these connecting rods.


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From the Bently official service manual.
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Starbucket wrote:
virusdoc wrote:
Starbucket wrote:
0.015" = STRETCHED ROD AND THE OTHERS ARE BAD TOO
OR DO YOU MEAN 0.0015" WHICH IS OK? oops cap lock was on lol


If Wilson's book is wrong please let me know. I'm planning on re-using these connecting rods.


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From the Bently official service manual.


Step 4–side clearance between connecting rod and crank—is what I’m quoting above. And those numbers agree that I’m in tolerance. I haven’t measured bearing clearance yet. But I know I need to. Need the correct gauge.
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Impressive ratchet wrench !!!

You look a lot like "Pittsburgh Dad"
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He's on Internet and YouTube, and very funny !
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Impressive ratchet wrench !!!



That is Big Bertha the Gentle Persuader (BBTGP for short).

She also does torque. $80 at Harbor Freight, and my best friend on the rear axle nuts.

Although she unfortunately failed me on the gland nut. Had to put an air impact wrench on that. Hellacious noise for 2 minutes, and it finally started to budge. Physics is awesome.
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