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Albertoprop17
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 Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:18 am Post subject: Front negative camber |
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Hi everyone, I was wondering how to have negative camber in front of a link pin car, so I've seen that FV's and 356's used to have offset link pin bushings to achieve that.
Do you guys know were can I purchase a set of those offset bushings? I really would like to have negative camber on my 54, it will be nicer on the corners
Thanks
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60ragtop
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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When we were circle tracking a Ghia we had a local machine shop make some for the car.
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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I got mine from Lybarger but he retired and has since passes. The FV shop that built my transaxle gets them made. Vallis Motorsports in Welland, Ontario, Canada. 905-384-0016 I have them on the front of my buggy, huge improvement.
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Albertoprop17
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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| slalombuggy wrote: |
I got mine from Lybarger but he retired and has since passes. The FV shop that built my transaxle gets them made. Vallis Motorsports in Welland, Ontario, Canada. 905-384-0016 I have them on the front of my buggy, huge improvement.
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Thanks, I will send them an email and see if they can ship them to Spain, where I'm from
How much negative camber does your front wheels have now guys?
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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I got -2.5* offset bushings and I now have -1* camber.
One thing you will have to watch is, now that the front will turn in better, you may find the back will want to come around easier and send you for a loop. The positive camber was built into the front ends so that the front would understeer and the car would plow through a corner rather than the tail heavy car go into a spin.
Call Bill instead of emailing him, he is usually very busy, he prepares and maintains a lot of cars.
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petrol punk
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| Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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If you don't mind mounting heim joints in bending (An engineering no-no) this is the easiest way. 18mm heims and a big ol 18mm bolt.
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Albertoprop17
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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If you don't mind mounting heim joints in bending (An engineering no-no) this is the easiest way. 18mm heims and a big ol 18mm bolt.
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That was my first idea, but I heard that the link pin suspension needs a radius between the links for strength. That system is perfect for adjustability, but the shaft starts to flex and deform because of the lack of the radius reinforcement.
Although, I would like to fabricate this setup in the future. The only thing that concerns me is the attachment to the heim joint threads with the trailing arm, I don't know how to do it.
And the offset bushings will be a lot cheaper too 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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| petrol punk wrote: |
If you don't mind mounting heim joints in bending (An engineering no-no) this is the easiest way. 18mm heims and a big ol 18mm bolt.
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that's pretty cool!
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JeeWee
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| Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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I do run this heim joint setup as well, but the travel of the heim joints is not enough, at least I could not get it setup correctly. It hits the ends when you drive it hard on a bumpy road. also steering is not perfect, it gets heavy because the heim joints are not made for it. My set is for sale if you would like to give it a try. Made of the chromobilydeen steel.
although I have to say it is such a big improvement, I never have been so quick thru a corner in a '57 swingaxle beetle
I do run a ARB 19mm in the front and 16mm in the rear! NICE! Spax adjustable all round and vredestein sprint classic 155R15 front and 165R15 rear
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Albertoprop17
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| Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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| I do run this heim joint setup as well, but the travel of the heim joints is not enough, at least I could not get it setup correctly. It hits the ends when you drive it hard on a bumpy road. also steering is not perfect, it gets heavy because the heim joints are not made for it. My set is for sale if you would like to give it a try. Made of the chromobilydeen steel. |
I'll send you a PM for more details, it may suit my needs
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petrol punk
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| Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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I do run this heim joint setup as well, but the travel of the heim joints is not enough, at least I could not get it setup correctly. It hits the ends when you drive it hard on a bumpy road. also steering is not perfect, it gets heavy because the heim joints are not made for it. My set is for sale if you would like to give it a try. Made of the chromobilydeen steel.
although I have to say it is such a big improvement, I never have been so quick thru a corner in a '57 swingaxle beetle
I do run a ARB 19mm in the front and 16mm in the rear! NICE! Spax adjustable all round and vredestein sprint classic 155R15 front and 165R15 rear |
I had wondered about that, when you look up the misalignment angle of a typical heim joint and figure you have a 6" swing on the trailing arms, it adds up to less than 4" of wheel travel which is definitely less than stock. There are off the shelf high-misalignment heims out there that would support over 6" of suspension travel, but as far as I can tell they're in inch size, so you have to go machine it out to 3/4" or neck down to 5/8".
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JeeWee
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| Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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cool, that would help me out in this setup! The adjustment is amazing! I do run HD heim joints which is motorsport quality, ordered in the Netherlands:
https://www.chassisparts.com/nl-nl/stangkoplager-h...count%3d20
Do you have any URL with the 6"+ travel? I'll have that machined then
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petrol punk
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| Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:32 am Post subject: Re: Front negative camber |
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Here's a McMaster link to a 3/4" version. They have different sizes on their website. I actually have some 5/8" ones I was going to use for long travel truck tie rods to give you an idea. No branding on them so I'm not sure who actually manufactures them.
https://www.mcmaster.com/6960t5-6960T51
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