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Charlie57 Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2012 Posts: 140 Location: Lebanon, TN
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:15 am Post subject: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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I am very close to getting my engine and trans installed, but have a few questions. The engine turns out to be a 73, not sure about trans, it appears that the trans only has three available bolt holes to bolt to the engine due to the starter, while the bolt at the starter appears to go there should I consider running one long bolt from the starter to the engine?
Should I install it as one piece or do them separately?
Any accessories or pieces I should have on or leave off, such as the heat tubes?
Is the front transmission mount pictured suppose to be metal to metal?
The retainer/clip I have pictured, where are they actually used, I have two.
Based on the photos do you see any mistakes I'm about to make?
Any other advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Charlie
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CarlosZ Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2016 Posts: 319 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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I’d double check that the tin isn’t sandwiched between the intake manifold and heads. Wrestling the tins once the engine’s installed sucks. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50353
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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The "D" bolt needs to be removed and then will go through the starter, the bell housing, and the engine flange in the opposite direction.
Your transmission appears to be an 091 "6 rib". Assuming it has the later bellhousing you will need the later starter to match. If this is going into a 72-75 van you mayhave to shorten the shift rod to get the shifter positioned correctly.
It is way easier to close off the large rectangular hole in your tin before you install the engine than to do it with the engine installed.
Knowing the year of your van would be helpful. |
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ivwshane Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 1920 Location: Sacramento ca
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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You are missing some seals around your alternator (dipstick and alternator seal), you may want to take care of those before the engine goes in. _________________ 77 westy 2.0 FI
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50353
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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You need to get the screws and fender washer that attach the tin to the heads to the front and back of where the intake manifold bolt into place.
The hole where the tube from the heat exchanger comes up through the tin needs to be sealed off if you don't have the tube. The hole in the heat exchanger needs to be closed off as well. |
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2206 Location: seattle
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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If you do install the engine after the transaxle the three pieces of tin at the
rear will have to be off to do it. Maybe the oil filler pipe as well, it will go in
with it installed but tends to scrape the rear metal of the bus body. |
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alaskadan Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2013 Posts: 1858 Location: anchor pt. alaska
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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Why not mate the engine and trans together and install as one. At least dry fit them together. That would let you make sure the starter fits, the clutch on its splines, the pilot bushing, etc. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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Why is your pilot bearing sitting on the bench still? |
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sjbartnik Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2011 Posts: 5998 Location: Brooklyn
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Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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Naw dawg.
You've got that starter bolt backwards. Take it out from where you have it now.
Get the engine in, using the two lower studs & trans input shaft to align it with the transmission.
Once you get it mated up fully, then you put in the top two bolts. The D shape on the starter bolt fits against the starter so you can put the nut on from inside the engine compartment without the bolt turning. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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Charlie57 Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2012 Posts: 140 Location: Lebanon, TN
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Why is your pilot bearing sitting on the bench still? |
Good catch, the engine builder installed one, plus I ordered the wrong clutch kit. Anybody want to buy a 78 clutch?! |
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Charlie57 Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2012 Posts: 140 Location: Lebanon, TN
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Your transmission appears to be an 091 "6 rib". Assuming it has the later bellhousing you will need the later starter to match. If this is going into a 72-75 van you mayhave to shorten the shift rod to get the shifter positioned correctly.
It is way easier to close off the large rectangular hole in your tin before you install the engine than to do it with the engine installed.
Knowing the year of your van would be helpful. |
The bus is a 78, the engine is a 73, the trans is stamped 091 but not sure of the year. I took it out of the bus with this set up so I believe I'll be alright. Just learned my started bearing are bad, going to start looking, it is marked 921 Bosch 0-00-211-221 |
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halfassleatherworks Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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did you put a new starter bushing in when it was apart?
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Charlie57 Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2012 Posts: 140 Location: Lebanon, TN
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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alaskadan wrote: |
Why not mate the engine and trans together and install as one. At least dry fit them together. That would let you make sure the starter fits, the clutch on its splines, the pilot bushing, etc. |
That was my plan unless there was a good reason not to. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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Charlie57 wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
Your transmission appears to be an 091 "6 rib". Assuming it has the later bellhousing you will need the later starter to match. If this is going into a 72-75 van you mayhave to shorten the shift rod to get the shifter positioned correctly.
It is way easier to close off the large rectangular hole in your tin before you install the engine than to do it with the engine installed.
Knowing the year of your van would be helpful. |
The bus is a 78, the engine is a 73, the trans is stamped 091 but not sure of the year. I took it out of the bus with this set up so I believe I'll be alright. Just learned my started bearing are bad, going to start looking, it is marked 921 Bosch 0-00-211-221 |
Not sure what you mean by bearing. There is a bushing that is installed into the bellhousing that supports one end of the starter shaft and another bushing on the other end of the shaft that is pressed into the starter endplate. The bushing in the flywheel is easily replaceable with the engine and tranny split.
If someone tried to bench test your starter, it would sound like a bearing/bushing is bad because the one end of the shaft is not supported without the starter being installed on the car or into the proper jig. |
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Charlie57 Samba Member
Joined: July 29, 2012 Posts: 140 Location: Lebanon, TN
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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Not sure what you mean by bearing. There is a bushing that is installed into the bellhousing that supports one end of the starter shaft and another bushing on the other end of the shaft that is pressed into the starter endplate. The bushing in the flywheel is easily replaceable with the engine and tranny split.
If someone tried to bench test your starter, it would sound like a bearing/bushing is bad because the one end of the shaft is not supported without the starter being installed on the car or into the proper jig.[/quote]
I meant to say bushing, just got it mixed up. I know they tested the starter on a brand new machine but I doubt it had support on the end of the shaft.
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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I would install them together as a unit.
The front transmission mount isn't metal to metal, it's just that the rubber part was also spray painted silver.
The "retainer/clip" things you're asking about-Do you mean the funny looking things hanging off the bolts at the top of the transmission?
Assuming so, those aren't used when the transmission is installed. I suppose they are there to keep the bolts from getting lost.
Do those bolts have tapered ends, or are they flat? If I remember correctly, the original bolts have tapered ends to help get them started, because they are kind of in a fiddly place. _________________ Dave Cook
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1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
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SamboSamba22 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Questions and Advice Before Installing Engine and Trans |
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I second the recommendation to install the engine and transmission as a pair. I find this much easier to do since the rear aprons on 72-79 Bay’s are not removable.
I’m currently tackling a similar project: finished building a 2L paired with a 5-Rib transaxle going into a 1973 Transporter. I will be installing as a pair. It’s as simple as attaching the motor cross bar (mustache bar) to the chassis, the upper transmission carrier bolts, and the front (front is front) transmission bracket (two 17m bolts w/ bracket) holding the nosecone. Everything else (cv joints, electrical, shift rod, couplers, fuel lines, cables, etc...is fairly straight forward. _________________ The Bus Barn Ltd. Co.
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