New kingpin seals have snapped and fallen off - advice pleas

lee griffiths · Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject:

So can we even get compensation now from WW and the hassle the product is causing ? Smile

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bus guy · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:28 am Post subject:

I went to an o ring supplier years ago and got some fat nitrile o rings and have been using them ever since with no problems. I'm pretty sure ww will eventually step up and sort it out, but forget about any compensation, I'm sure something about thAt is in their terms of sale.
X2 about what everyone says about better quality vs mOre expensive, most people will still be lead on Price alone. Sad but true

llovette · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:38 am Post subject:

Douglas Denlinger · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:14 am Post subject:

Same problem here.......I talked with both Tony and Rich about this months ago with no solution given for the problem.

Wait til you guys try the $125 plus hubcaps that they are selling, from Wolfsburg Classics.....the factory VW parts program Embarassed

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BarryL · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:29 am Post subject:

Those seals have been complete garbage for years. Considering the amount of effort it takes to put in a new set it's criminal that they are even allowed into the marketplace. Cleaned up used ones are the way to go. I had a set of the crap ones split and ended up finding thin 1/4 inch wide worm clamps that I put around each one. At least I can squirt in grease and a fair amount of water stays out. I bought some new VW-Audi Brazilian seals to put on but never did. They are still good in the box but that proves nothing.

runderwood · Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject:

Mine are completely shot as well. Didn't last at all.
Anyone know the size o-ring that works for this?
McMaster-Carr seems to have a nice selection ( http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings )... now to just know which is the correct material and size...
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Bryan67 · Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject:

I`m about to put some spindles on my panel and will need to find some O rings to rplace what`s left of the kingpin seals on them now. So if anyone knows the right size o ring to use it would save me some hassle. Thanks.
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lee griffiths · Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:42 am Post subject:

Anyone got any updates for seals ? My new Mango just in from the US has dropped spindles - they don't look too old, but several of the seals are gone Sad

I've been thinking about o-rings or alternatives. How about silicone coolant hose sliced into rings ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-Metre-Silicone-Straigh...4cfc57e199

or regular rubber hoses sliced ?

http://www.cbsonline.co.uk/product/38mm_Id_90Deg_Rubber_Hose_Bend_H9038

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sled · Samba Member Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 6179

the answer has been discussed above, o rings.

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RPGreg2600 · Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:01 am Post subject:

All of the black rubber WW is using these days is JUNK! I have had a set of decklid hinge seals on my decklid for 4 months and they are already cracking badly! No doubt they are made of the same rubber!

campingbox · Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:26 am Post subject:

After "knocking" the O-ring concept for many years I finally got fed up when I had about 50 Wolfsburg West kingpin seals fail after having a batch of rebuilt spindle sit on the shelf unused for six months. Amazingly I had almost zero complaints from customers about them before that point and I had used a ton of them.

Since then, I've been using part #9452K44 from Mcmaster Carr in all our spindle rebuilds.

It's listed as Buna-N O-Ring AS568A Dash Number 325

I also tried the "hard" Buna-N O-rings they sell but found them slightly difficult to install in colder weather. The part number listed above seems to work fine and I have received no complaints with them. I haven't seen one crack or split yet. Buna rubber is supposed to hold up well to gas, grease, and oil.

If anyone has a better suggestion for o-rings feel free to let me know.

I've also had trouble with the WW breather pipe boots and the 2" fresh air tube seals. They usually crack and fail within about six months of use. The 2" seals don't get exposed to oil or gas but they likely do get warm sitting right above the exhaust.

RPGreg2600 · Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:53 pm Post subject:

PEPPE · Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:43 am Post subject:

i had similar problems with swingaxle boots, front suspension tierod boots, irs CV joint boots, Type4 oil disptick seals, some engine pushrod seals, vw original (!) air seals for 50mm air tubes in engine compartment.

some also cracked also before betting oil/grease inside. just being in the garage during restoration.

very shitty parts.

azbob · Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:09 pm Post subject:

So the going consensus is to use the Mcmaster Carr O rings?
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nlorntson · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:02 pm Post subject:

Old post, I know.

I took apart my spindles from a 1963 double cab. This has the 1 year 1 ton suspension. All the parts appear to be original VW so I don't think this has ever been apart.

On both spindles, the top and kingpin seal was cracked and not reusable. The bottom was mostly missing. It has a VW on the inner surface but I could find no part number. This seal is quite a bit bigger in diameter than the other seals

The other seals in the middle were also OE VW but they have a part number of 211 405 439 and some other numbers 32836 and 2-12 on the inside.

I understood that all the kingpin and linkpin seals were the same.

I guess it's possible that the seal has swollen accounting for the size difference, but the missing part number on the inside has me wondering if there is a slightly different size for the Upper and possibly lower versus the center two and the linkpin seals on this 1 year only suspension?

Thoughts anyone?

campingbox · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:33 pm Post subject:

They are all the same, early, late, '63 1-ton, barndoor, etc. Feel free to review the parts list.

Scott'sVR

This is a good way to do it without pressing them apart. Buy o-rings and spend 40$ on this loctite 404 which is designed specifically for gluing o-rings. One drop and about 5 seconds and you physically cant rip apart the joint! cut your o-rings, wrap them around and apply a drop of glue, literally can do the whole job in about 5 minutes with little disassembly.

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I sell correct seals make from the correct rubber that will not crack or split when grease touches them.
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