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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:37 am Post subject: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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Anyone have a write up on how to get the turn signal cancellation on the Koln column to function properly?
I took my turn signal arm off to find the broken spring - replaced the spring and put it back - ensuring that the little triangle bit in the middle would actuate when either a left or right hand signal are initiated. The arm doesn't return to neutral, however, and I've run out of things to look at/for to get it to work correctly.
I can upload a video later today... |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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If it functions correctly when you test it without the wheel, either the steering column housing needs to be moved closer to the wheel or you have the wrong "tang" on the back of the steering wheel. I've found that Type 1 tangs sometimes don't mix with Type 3 columns. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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Tram wrote: |
If it functions correctly when you test it without the wheel, either the steering column housing needs to be moved closer to the wheel or you have the wrong "tang" on the back of the steering wheel. I've found that Type 1 tangs sometimes don't mix with Type 3 columns. |
Type 3 steering wheel that worked on the SWF column I removed...column itself is NOS (or it was when I put it in the car). I can confirm that the cancellation bit on the back of the wheel is correct per the parts book tonight. Would be odd/nice if that's all it takes.
The column to steering wheel space (between turn signal arm and steering wheel) is within the spec in the book. |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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ataraxia wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
If it functions correctly when you test it without the wheel, either the steering column housing needs to be moved closer to the wheel or you have the wrong "tang" on the back of the steering wheel. I've found that Type 1 tangs sometimes don't mix with Type 3 columns. |
Type 3 steering wheel that worked on the SWF column I removed...column itself is NOS (or it was when I put it in the car). I can confirm that the cancellation bit on the back of the wheel is correct per the parts book tonight. Would be odd/nice if that's all it takes.
The column to steering wheel space (between turn signal arm and steering wheel) is within the spec in the book. |
Any chance the tang is different between the two styles of switch? I know the signal lever itself is a different thickness one type to the other. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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Tram wrote: |
ataraxia wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
If it functions correctly when you test it without the wheel, either the steering column housing needs to be moved closer to the wheel or you have the wrong "tang" on the back of the steering wheel. I've found that Type 1 tangs sometimes don't mix with Type 3 columns. |
Type 3 steering wheel that worked on the SWF column I removed...column itself is NOS (or it was when I put it in the car). I can confirm that the cancellation bit on the back of the wheel is correct per the parts book tonight. Would be odd/nice if that's all it takes.
The column to steering wheel space (between turn signal arm and steering wheel) is within the spec in the book. |
Any chance the tang is different between the two styles of switch? I know the signal lever itself is a different thickness one type to the other. |
The thickness is an interesting point - I'd not considered that might be the case. I'll check that tonight. |
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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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I measured the thickness of the SWF and the Koln turn signal arms - they're essentially the same thickness.
Koln turn signal arm:
SWF turn signal arm:
Here's a photo that shows the gap in the arm/column (yes, I know the speedo isn't year correct):
No visible part number on the cancellation ring - but it's a standard part so it shouldn't be the culprit. It's the same one that was working just fine on the SWF column before the ignition switch croaked. AFAIK, this is the original steering wheel/cancellation ring.
Now on to the detail bit...this first image is the 'neutral' position and the red arrow points to nothing to be 'caught' by the canceling ring:
Here's a 'left' turn:
Here's a 'right' turn:
In both of the 'turn' situations, you can see the triangular bit sticking out - from what I can tell, this should be caught by the cancellation ring and trigger it to go back to neutral...but that doesn't happen. On an SWF column, I've used a flat blade screwdriver to 'click it' back to neutral but that didn't work on this one.
I'm out of ideas... |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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so swap the levers if you can. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:59 am Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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I'd swap columns -it's less hassle but that doesn't solve the riddle. |
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beetlemic Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2008 Posts: 82 Location: Åland Islands
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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Having similar problem...Did you solve this? _________________ 1950 Split Beetle
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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Koln column rebuild-turn signal arm not resetting |
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beetlemic wrote: |
Having similar problem...Did you solve this? |
Yep, I pulled the Koln column and installed the SWF column. Works fine.
I sold the Koln column. |
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