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vwfye Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Mo betta brave than I!!!! _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
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t3kg Samba Member
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Got a few more hours in on the column..
Bearing comes out easily.
Was worried it would get mangled,
But it's just a gentle drifting with a good sized socket required.
There are 22 balls in there - for the record.
It was easy to clean them all up in gas and re-grease.
Still feels a -tad- bit lumpy afterwards, these ones,
We'll see about finding a better set; may, or may not, NBD..
A bit o' wire-wheeling to get a head start,
Then the big parts get blasted.
Once blasted, they get a bit o' phosphoric,
it's damp here now, and it might be a while before I can paint.
(Ignore the wiper linkage arms).
Once clean, the wire holes inside get opened up a bit.
There is a ridge of casting flash making a 'choke point';
No doubt makes passing those wires thru more difficult.
After the column housing was all cleaned up, it will be ready for some paint.
This is "Hot Rod Black Satin" a.k.a. semi-gloss.
It's a two-part real auto paint that dries by chemical reaction.
One time use - you pull the tab and it mixes,
And you get one shot because it will harden in the can.
No doubt regular old rattle-can would not be tough enough to survive the keys dangle/banging against it long term.
Also blasted the outside of the wheel adaptor.
Pet peeve of mine - those shiny adaptors..
Now's my chance to paint it to match.
Also sussed the hanger biscuit rubber block;
These seem to only be available used; just get the best used one you can.
Still need to clean up the signal switch and arm,
Then squirt it all in one shot. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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squaretobehip Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 3690 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Clatter wrote: |
These seem to only be available used; just get the best used one you can. |
Yeah, yours do not look too bad, actually. _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
1965 Squareback - Baltic Blue
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OKType3Tim Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2011 Posts: 279 Location: Northeast Oklahoma
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Thanks for sharing the info, gentlemen; Much Appreciated.
Dimmer switch button assemblies are still out there NOS.
Even came with my missing screw!
Un-soldered the old one at the button.
Allowed me to blast the assembly clean.
Used glass beads on this,
Hopefully it won't damage the fragile bakelite pieces in there.
Took apart an old harness I have lying about;
The middle of an old harness always seems to have nice bright flexible preserved wires in the exact color you need.
Only the wire with the two different colored stripes was not to be found,
So I just decided to splice/save it.
Here's my first session back in the saddle with soldering..
Will need to re-do this one methinks;
Stripped off too much, left more bare wire than is ideal.
Anyways,
Did all of the other stuff in glass beads to smooth it out a bit for painting and general cleanliness.
Just need a warm enough day to shoot paint... _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Warm day came along..
Started by using some Metal-2-Metal filler on pitted signal arm.
Not sure if it was from use or what..
Maybe eating tacos with hot sauce while driving??
Got pits filled and arm sanded smooth.
A coat of epoxy to 'glue down' the paint.
2-part rattle-can from auto paint store worked very well.
Because the whole column casting was a bit rough,
And I didn't see any filler when stripping it,
I left it a tad rough.
Not sure if that is correct or not..
The color is actually black,
But under a blue sky the reflection makes it look very light.
It's not.
Am also happy to report that after a couple days' drying,
The 2-part rattle-can has held up very well.
Unlike regular rattle-can, you cannot scratch it with a fingernail.
Additionally, it will survive a guick wipe-down with solvent without wiping away.
So FWIW.. My findings.
Looking forward to some assembly here soon. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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VWporscheGT3 Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2006 Posts: 2076 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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looking good! _________________ Schnell, SCHNELL!
I like being wrong, Because, it is another opportunity to learn. If you stop learning from your mistakes than what is the point?
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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t3kg wrote: |
If the switch was working before it was removed from the car and the bakelite cap isn't too loose I wouldn't disassemble it. |
AIGH!
Here it sits, mocking me.
It worked perfectly.
The cap is maybe a 'little' loose.
I think in the end,
How stupid will I feel if it starts acting up in short order?
Do I really think that I'll be into going back in here again?
Wouldn't I just kick my self for leaving this crusty as the rest of everything else?
_________________ Bus Motor Build
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Steve wrote:
AIGH!
Here it sits, mocking me.
It worked perfectly.
The cap is maybe a 'little' loose.
I think in the end,
How stupid will I feel if it starts acting up in short order?
Do I really think that I'll be into going back in here again?
Wouldn't I just kick my self for leaving this crusty as the rest of everything else?
t3kg wrote: |
If the switch was working before it was removed from the car and the bakelite cap isn't too loose I wouldn't disassemble it.
A loose bakelite cap can be secured by staking the inner metal sleeve within the lock cylinder with the cap compressed. There are two places where it needs to be staked, one on either side. Here are some images from Lionel's tutorial showing how to do it:
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You should have probably done this right from the get go. Either that or left it alone. It's that everything has to be perfect phase coming out. You probably should have gotten a NOS switch from Josh as a back up for when this decides to quit working. Gotta remember, you're dealing with 50+ year old parts. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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ataraxia Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 4504 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Steve got in touch with me and we both learned that I've divested of the stash of early ignition switches I'd collected over the years - just have the one spare scripted ignition switch for my car. It's been about a year since I've done anything with my car or parts.
If Steve's luck is anything like mine - a super killer deal on a NOS ignition switch will pop up right after he's put it back together and installed it in the car. |
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t3kg Samba Member
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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ataraxia wrote: |
Steve got in touch with me and we both learned that I've divested of the stash of early ignition switches I'd collected over the years - just have the one spare scripted ignition switch for my car. It's been about a year since I've done anything with my car or parts.
If Steve's luck is anything like mine - a super killer deal on a NOS ignition switch will pop up right after he's put it back together and installed it in the car. |
Damn, I've got that kind of luck too. I usually come across something after I've needed it for months. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Alright.. Since there's an NOS lock cylinder somewhere, someplace, sometime in my future..
(Plus the cap on mine was mostly tight, and it -was- working perfectly).
I decided to just leave it all assembled!
Let's hope I don't come to regret that later.
Put a couple drops of engine oil on the sliding pin and stabbed it in..
Was all proud of myself for finding original wires in good shape;
Salvaged the correct gauge and color from an old harness I had lying about.
Nice how wires hidden deep inside a main harness run are still pliable, and the colors bright.
(And not melted.. )
Only one wire was not to be found, one with -two- colored stripes.
That one I spiced carefully with solder and shrink-wrap to re-use.
Also had to make a 'Red with black stripes' using a sharpie marker..
At first, I was all proud of my solder job;
Didn't burn the bakelite cap, but got a good purchase.
I tinned the stranded ends before stabbing them thru the terminal,
And therein lied my trouble.
That black wire on the terminal marked 15/54..
It was too stiff to bend out of the way.
The cylinder wouldn't go in.
Had to pull it,
Then re-solder it in place in-situ after cylinder went home.
Didn't get a pic; was in the zone.
Had a good bit o' fun putting things together..
Re-did the ground wire to the bearing,
Stabbed in my NOS dimmer button.
Look! It has a screw now!!
Ran all ignition wires down the left side of the column,
And the rest down the right.
Ignition wires are fat and the others thin; seemed to work/fit OK.
Made this little fish-hook from a piece of stiff wire to pull thru.
Here's a little thing I messed up..
That wire on the right; that thing needs to go straight in like the other two.
No big deal.
Was all set to finish up when the power went out for the rest of the day..
Anyways,
A bunch of parts either painted or glass-bead blasted (or both).
Fresh wires in place, bearing all clean and re-lubed (Thanks, josh).
Drop of oil on the hinges for the cancelling mech,
Dollop of blue Lock-Tite on the screw that holds the cylinder retainer,
Grease on the big return spring.
It's all a joy at this point..
Let's just hope it works. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Qldelsie Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2019 Posts: 518 Location: Queensland Australia
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Clatter, sorry if I have missed it somewhere, but what year is your column supposed to be ? I have mine (1970) in pieces at the moment, and it looks very different from yours
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t3kg Samba Member
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Nice job Steve. Like Scott, I too had to get out my black sharpie to add a stripe. Hopefully it all works once it's all together. Use a VOM to double check before installing it into the car. I like to double check electrical stuff whenever I have to do anything to it. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Qldelsie wrote: |
Clatter, sorry if I have missed it somewhere, but what year is your column supposed to be ? I have mine (1970) in pieces at the moment, and it looks very different from yours
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Hi,
My column is a '67;
Same as earlier.
Later ones - '68-up IIRC, are indeed completely different. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Column Rebuild |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
Use a VOM to double check before installing it into the car. I like to double check electrical stuff whenever I have to do anything to it. |
Didn't mention this in my tutorial,
but, yes, a -very- good idea to test things before assembly.
I put the meter, set to ohms, across the two wires of the dimmer switch,
Then watched the numbers jump as the button was pushed.
Same with the lock cylinder.
Put the meter on the new soldered wires,
And make sure it shows continuity across the correct wires, or not, as the key is turned.
Way better to find any flaws before things are assembled. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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