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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can I buy the in / out cover from anywhere without the pump? I can only find them as a combo item, with pumps that are way too big.

Or do I just buy a 21mm pump and a combo pump cover and keep bigger pump as a paperweight or something?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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can I buy the in / out cover from anywhere without the pump? I can only find them as a combo item, with pumps that are way too big.

Or do I just buy a 21mm pump and a combo pump cover and keep bigger pump as a paperweight or something?

Try calling CB Performance, maybe they have a solution for you.

It's been a while since I looked at this topic so I had forgotten that this was already addressed, but read the whole topic and you will see that the 6mm to 8mm step stud is not applicable here because the hole pattern on the case was adjusted when they made the switch to 8mm. This means that both 8mm and 6mm pumps fit the early cases, but if you use a step stud in an early case the 8mm threads will not fit the oil pump without enlarging the pump holes. Just stick to the 6mm studs on the case and it will work.

But that leads to another problem with the in-out pump covers. Some of them are designed to be installed with allen head screws as the screw head is recessed into the casting of the cover... no room to fit a standard nut or wrench to turn it. That means if you're installing that type of 8mm cover on your 6mm case you are going to have to be even more creative to make it fit properly.

One more point for you to consider is that if you want to use a typical full flow pump cover they are more adaptable to a standard pump because you can simply block the outlet side of the pump where it fits into the case and the outlet path is created by drilling and tapping the case. But these in-out covers are designed to fit on a pump which has an additional passage to route the oil back into the normal pump outlet. So you are limited to the size of pump available in the marketplace. Here is a photo of one from the gallery.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How about another location for the return line, such as above the oil pressure switch, where it is nice and large and flat? As long as it returns to a location before the oil cooler, wouldn't that work just as well?
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will this work? seems like a much better place for it, but will it work?


Didn't find if any anwered this? One of my cases have a bolt there, don't know why. Almost look stock.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Full Flow a 36hp Engine Reply with quote

It was leaking so someone put a bolt in it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here is mine running a CB in-out pump:

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I love this setup. I have the same in/out cover because the integral oil filter style pump isn't compatible with 36hp lower tin, but I still ended up cutting the tin some to fit braided stainless oil hoses. This looks a million times cleaner and you don't have to worry about the oil hoses rubbing the exhaust or the stale air flaps hitting them and getting caught.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Full Flow a 36hp Engine Reply with quote

that setup appears to have the oil filter mounted to the car body with hardlines??

the lines will eventually fatigue and crack.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frederik wrote:
BugMan114 wrote:
Snort wrote:
How about another location for the return line, such as above the oil pressure switch, where it is nice and large and flat? As long as it returns to a location before the oil cooler, wouldn't that work just as well?
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will this work? seems like a much better place for it, but will it work?


Didn't find if any anwered this? One of my cases have a bolt there, don't know why. Almost look stock.
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There is not enough mat'l to tap on later case's in this location, if you do you will have to redrill the galley through the plug or fitting, I used a threadless plug here with a back up plate when I drilled and tapped a later style case, not sure on early case's though

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Full Flow a 36hp Engine Reply with quote

Here's the Gene Berg 36hp "full flow" filter kit along with Gene's chem. treated oil deep sump. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Full Flow a 36hp Engine Reply with quote

I don't know how well the brass return fitting fits under the pulley tin on a 36 hp engine but on a 1600 if you get the fitting deep enough in the case and round off the fitting with a file, a little clearance work on the tin with a hammer and a little heat is all you need. Most people will cut a hole in the tin, make it too big so it leaks warm air into the engine compartment and there's simply no need for it. Hope this helps. Al

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PS- That's the same fitting from Berg as what's on the engine in Mr. Okrasa's post above.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Full Flow a 36hp Engine Reply with quote

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Wouldn't it be possible to use the oil pressure sender as a return spot also?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Full Flow a 36hp Engine Reply with quote

As long as the fitting you put in there doesn't block the passage when you screw it in, not many threads there now, probably why the straight thread fitting that you have, does it seal with a o-ring or flat crush washer? you don't need many threads with that type.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Full Flow a 36hp Engine Reply with quote

To be honest I don't think I'm going to use that case but I like the idea. The fitting seals with a crush washer. I just took it out to see how mutch material it was in that place. In theory couldn't I drill and tap the center of the existing fitting for the return fitting?

If I use a full flow oil filter it's going to be a "fram style" filter (Mann) on the fan house and if possible I don't want to go through the tin for the return. Couldn't you also fit a banjo to the pressure sender for the return, just like the outlet for a bypass filter? Or am I thinking wrong?
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