1956 industrial engine

[Frederik]

Bought this on a online auction site, just got delivered. I new by the pictures it wasn't the most mint looking industrial engine for sure but I couldn't resist buying it. I might have overpaid a bit though $450 incl the shipping.

Heads look clean though and it spins freely

Here is one of the reasons I bougt it. Got curious what it might have been used for and what this is (and might be good to use for)?

It has a VJ 4 BR 8 ("019") distributor, which at the time was the correct distributor for industrial engines. Earlier had the "383" (My 1955 industrial engine workshop manual still list them for engines with battery ignition) and later it got the VJ 8 BR 25 ("010").

It was nice to see it was fitted with a dust cover. Condenser (large diameter) and rotor looks original. Even the points looks original, it's the early Bosch ones with the phenolic/backelite tall bushing at the pivot. One thing I haven't seen before is that there seems to be a small lubrication felt in it. I haven't thought about it before but the design of the tall busching is for holding the drops of oil you put on there. I guess the later plastic didn't need as much oil as the phenolic one. Will be fun to rebuild/ looks decent (distributor not engine).

[Frederik]

It obvious that the engine has been sitting in a damp environment with all the corrosion. Found this on the case. Not mutch for that bolt to hold on to! Is the case wasted?

Next I had to check how the case looked under the oil sump cover.

[earthquake]

Cool find! what is the attachment for? is it a PTO transmission of some kind?

Casey
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[Frederik]

I have no idea what the transmission and engine was used for. The man I bought it from had in his turn got it from an estate along some tons of other car parts.

As to dates

Engine code:
122-021472 (june-july 1956)
Case:
15 6 16 (15th of June 1st shift 1956)

Coil 2L (february 1955) pre dates the engine but probably original. Distributor body 4M (april 1956), condenser 3M (mars 1956), cap has of course no date but is the early type with Bosch part numbers on the inside. It looks "untouched"

[Frederik]

About the points, Yes they are Bosch. The phenolic bushing I refer to is this at the pivot pin, it looks like it have a lubrication felt in it. You are suposed to ad a drop of oil to the pivot at service, late plastic versions also. This is the earliest design of 01001 points I know of (Bosch).

Here are the dogleg 36hp points, also early (yellow wire and phenolic bushing)

And here are later versions of the 01001. The white/semitransparent bushing ones being the oldest, probably later half of the 50s. Still has the individual part numbers for moving and stationary point on the box and "520" order number for the set. All have a phenolic rubbing block for the cam.

[tasb]

Currently Wolfsburg West makes a nice dark brown reproduction of the caps. They saw fit to put their logo on the inside making the cap appear even more early Bosch original. There's another reproduction out there that has their large logo on the outside.

Frederick, what I had spotted was that fuzzy blob up against the points cam to the right of the adjustable half of the points. Looks kinda like felt but is dried grease and dirt.

I've seen points with a dark brown phenolic insulator but can't recall if they were Bosch or not.
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[heimlich]

That's a nice little engine you have there. Delivery probably was a large part of the price.
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[Frederik]

Yes it was!
I have one more 36hp 1956 industrial engine in mutch better condition/ very few running hours. The original plan was to use that as a base to bolt on the ww okrasa kit but I might save it for a more serious build in the future/ have mixed feelings about using it.

This case I don't have any regrets to acctually use. I will not open the case and that might be a misstake..

[heimlich]

You need to determine if you will be able to rejoin the two case halves together. That corrosion looks pretty bad but it might be enough to hold the case. See if the bolt is loose. You can always just bolt it together and have someone weld it. Post in the engine forum and ask what to do about corrosion there.

The case might be really nice inside. It could have been run only a few hours and put up wet.
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[Frederik]

I will probably not split the case, the case corrosion is only on the front/underside around that bolt, probably from sitting on a damp floor. By the dirt/oil build up inside the case it probably isn't a low hour case (my other case has less than 100 hour on it) but it probably has a lot less than most engines used in a car from that time. By the photos I took from the inside/ around the sump it at least don't look as there has been water inside it. Will se how it looks when heads/ cylinders are off.

[heimlich]

It might just look dirty if it was running non-detergent oil.
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