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Franklinstower
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 Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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Using only my hand brake, i can easily lock up my rear tires on gravel with my eurovan rear brakes on my westy (brand new 215/65/19 tires). My driveway is sloped and my hand brake now holds better than ever. Even better than my 2015 golf wagon. A couple of clicks and it just plain grabs.
I got a steep hill a block away...you want me to take a measurement for you?
Paul
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Sodo
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Location: Western WA
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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| Franklinstower wrote: |
| Using only my hand brake, i can easily lock up my rear tires on gravel with my eurovan rear brakes on my westy (brand new 215/65/16 tires |
franklins I doubt if that’s necessary. The “Standardized” ramp & incline tests were to compare/discuss parking brakes that have no hope of skidding the tires on gravel. Incidentally not a single rear disc’r participated, only a guy with OEM drums. The question perhaps was answered by the null-data.
However if ya wanna close out this thread with a pic.
Or a YouTube gravel skid, that would be great.
Or even a still photo of skidding? Or gravel-skid marks?
I’m pretty sold on the Eurovan brake kit and after 9 years of wheel chocks, so ready to go Eurovan.
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Jake de Villiers
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Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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| Sodo wrote: |
I’m pretty sold on the Eurovan brake kit and after 9 years of wheel chocks, so ready to go Eurovan. |
Me, too. I've installed and removed more drums from my vans in the last ten years than I had in my whole life with cars with four drum brakes! I could have paid for a disc swap twice over...
The drums are so sh*tty nowadays. It seeems to be impossible to get decent drums at any price.
Anybody have a line on the German Epytec T4 rear disc conversion parts? He said hopefully...
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Syncro Jael
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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I’ve had Burleys kit on for a while. I will try to get the ramps out for an equal test. My steep driveway is 12° as per iPhone. The van weighs 6000 lbs and I have 235/70/16 tires that are 20% oversized.
(3)three clicks on the parking brake will hold it.
It won’t lock them up, or skid while moving on pavement or dirt. But once stopped the hold is really firm.
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Steve M.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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| Jake de Villiers wrote: |
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Anybody have a line on the German Epytec T4 rear disc conversion parts? He said hopefully... |
They are using Epytec kits and will ship stateside. You should look through the entire website
https://www.vw-t3-bus-shop.de/en/4-scheibenbremse-fuer-vw-bus-t3-syncro-14
Compare the kits to match what is shown on Epytec's website.
https://epytec.de/en/brake-system/adapters/
If you can get the adapter for your application it is cheaper then buying a complete kit.
You can then source the rotors and calipers on Rock Auto.
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Jake de Villiers
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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Thanks, Steve! That's exactly what I had in mind: buy the adapters from Epytec and supply the other parts myself.
Epytec also offers an adapter to mount the G57 calipers on a 312mm front disc - that would make a real difference over the 288mm disc and still fit in a 16" wheel.
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squeegee_boy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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| Jake de Villiers wrote: |
Thanks, Steve! That's exactly what I had in mind: buy the adapters from Epytec and supply the other parts myself.
Epytec also offers an adapter to mount the G57 calipers on a 312mm front disc - that would make a real difference over the 288mm disc and still fit in a 16" wheel. |
Ohhh, I've been looking for this option (and more specifically the parts list for this option) for some time. LMK how this works out for you!
And... actually, if you go this route PM me. We can maybe split the shipping.
Robyn
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Jake de Villiers
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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| squeegee_boy wrote: |
| Jake de Villiers wrote: |
Thanks, Steve! That's exactly what I had in mind: buy the adapters from Epytec and supply the other parts myself.
Epytec also offers an adapter to mount the G57 calipers on a 312mm front disc - that would make a real difference over the 288mm disc and still fit in a 16" wheel. |
Ohhh, I've been looking for this option (and more specifically the parts list for this option) for some time. LMK how this works out for you!
And... actually, if you go this route PM me. We can maybe split the shipping.
Robyn |
I'll do that, Robyn. Are you looking for rear discs, too, or just the G57/312mm disc fronts? Do you have bigger brakes up front currently or need all the parts?
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squeegee_boy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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| Jake de Villiers wrote: |
I'll do that, Robyn. Are you looking for rear discs, too, or just the G57/312mm disc fronts? Do you have bigger brakes up front currently or need all the parts? |
Just the front adapter kit, I'll source the rest of the parts locally/Rockauto.
Robyn
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Franklinstower
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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| Jake de Villiers wrote: |
Thanks, Steve! That's exactly what I had in mind: buy the adapters from Epytec and supply the other parts myself.
Epytec also offers an adapter to mount the G57 calipers on a 312mm front disc - that would make a real difference over the 288mm disc and still fit in a 16" wheel. |
If you know someone in Germany, have Epytec ship the brackets to them or use freight forwarding services. Epytec still won't ship directly to the US or Canada.
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Syncro Jael
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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Sodo,
I completed your test. And these are the results. I did put it in reverse while on nine clicks and I could move, but it killed the engine at an idle.
 ONE "Click" (Rolls Down)
 TWO (Rolls Down making little noise)
 THREE (Rolls Down making noise)
 FOUR (Slowly Rolls down making lotsa noises)
 FIVE (Very Slowly Rolls Down w/interment stops)
 SIX (Holds Firm)
 SEVEN (Holds Very Firm)
 EIGHT (Holds Very Firm)
 NINE (Holds Very Tight)
That is the limit, no more lever to pull.
The sound it makes is like lightly holding the foot brake on a hill and hearing the pads grab.
And Yes! It can hold a van perched on a Campsite leveling rock?
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Sodo
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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Cool, RON!
The 2nd, actual Vanagon rear disc brake test appears on page 4!
(and we're back on-topic too!) 
I drove some places in Moab (the White Rim trail) where I'd be in deep kaka if I had to get outta my van with no parking brake.
I gotta get something 'real' before some emergency gets layed on me.
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Franklinstower
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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It looks like Jeff is ready to produce his rear disc brackets. From what I have seen, his brackets allow the use the Eurovan caliper/rotor combos or '06 -'13 jetta/golf calipers with the Eurovan rotors - either the 280 or 294 rotor.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2355247
I can attest to the excellent parking brake of the Eurovan caliper/rotor combo and an overall improved and balanced braking feel. I have the Epytec brackets, but it took months to get shipped from Germany through a third party service. It wes well worth it though to finally have decent rear brakes and a REAL E-Brake. I can skid my rear tires on gravel with the hand brake!
So if you are stateside and don't want to deal with trying to get brackets from Epytec in Germany, this is your only US option for brackets only (t4 on t3) as far as I know.
Off the shelf hoses and cables also work with this system which makes it very accessible.
Paul
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hans j
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Parking brake test (disc and drum) |
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Found a decent hill at my night job. It’s a driveway into a parking lot, so I’m sure it has to meet some sort of regulations. My phone level is not calibrated so couldn’t measure it. Tried to get the sign and the tree as good as square in the photo as I could.
Homemade special audi brakes (see build thread), 4 clicks on the handle, engine is running and in neutral. Syncro westy with 215/75-15 tires and around 5200 pounds as it sits.
It has a couple more clicks to go, and I did let the handle all the way down and pull it back up again and it stopped the van from rolling.
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