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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:19 pm Post subject: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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It's 2" higher than a group 41 so I bet it won't fit, but has anyone installed a group 24 under the driver seat?
Thanks
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32625 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for those diagrams Dave. Wishful thinking on my part. Even IF group 24 height specs are measured to top of battery posts, posts are maybe 3/4" ?
I agree. The battery case would likely interfere with the seat base.
I do recall seeing a project involving increasing depth of the battery box but that ain't gonna happen here!
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9937 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Some people were fitting Group 65 as an aux on the driver side.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=508148
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Thanks for those diagrams Dave. Wishful thinking on my part. Even IF group 24 height specs are measured to top of battery posts, posts are maybe 3/4" ?
I agree. The battery case would likely interfere with the seat base.
I do recall seeing a project involving increasing depth of the battery box but that ain't gonna happen here!
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Mark.
Yes, had seen that and will reconsider it.
Maybe I could find a similarly priced
($107 Cnd)
starter/deep cycle 65 here.
Or while I'm in the US this weekend. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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EL31415 Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2009 Posts: 192 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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No sure about the fitting.
But I do have some experience with the 24/M battery .
We use these in our compact electric palette jack and palette stacker.they last -/+ 2 years heavy abuse.
I always replace with cheapest replacement available.
And they cheap and readly available. _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Since I'll be looking at batteries anyways, I'll measure this group 24. .... or I'll just WallyWorld it with a group 41. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
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westyventures Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2004 Posts: 2306 Location: Oregon Outback
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Cut out the bottom of the box and a 24 or 27 will fit. |
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EL31415 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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westyventures wrote: |
Cut out the bottom of the box and a 24 or 27 will fit. |
http://www.westyventures.com/rigs.html _________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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mreuter Samba Member
Joined: August 26, 2008 Posts: 392 Location: oakland
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:25 am Post subject: Re: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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I wonder if large tires would hit the outer box corner box when off-roading. I noticed and angle on the outer bottom off the original battery box. |
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calo1956 Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2011 Posts: 701 Location: long Island new york
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: Re: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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A group 27 just fits under the cover in the vanagon, with very little room to spare... |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member
Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 9810 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: Re: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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In my experience, you want to measure the particular brand you are considering if things are close. The standard group dimensions seem to be pretty reliable for length & width -- but height, I have found, varies a bit from one manufacturer to another.
In any case T5s are common enough at America's favorite store and are so small you can fit a copy of War & Peace or Ulysses in there along side it (and probably should to keep it from sliding). |
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westyventures Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2004 Posts: 2306 Location: Oregon Outback
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:58 am Post subject: Re: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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It was not possible to include the little 'angle' corner and still fit the 27 in the box. Depending on wheel offset and suspension height, the tires may or may not rub in 'full lock', this one did a little bit but in a year of use in Colorado and 1.5 years in all conditions around Latin America the new owners have experienced no problems.
A group 27 is just over 9" tall, so no, it does not fully fit (flush to top) into the stock box w/o modification to the depth. |
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Gruppe B Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2007 Posts: 1331
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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This is one of my next mods this year
Thanks again Karl for the awesome design! |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9615 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I kinda like the idea of this honkin' battery.
And Cosco has a 105Ah Group24 that they say will last 3500 discharge cycles ($700).
The posts can be unscrewed.
the remaining case (no posts) is 10.2L x 6.6W x 8.8H
What's the word on this mod, can it be done to fit the Group24 without the tire hitting it? _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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westyventures Samba Member
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9615 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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Wow thanks Karl!!
I need a new battery now,
Victron B1421100081(M6 posts) is ~ $300
260x168x215mm = 10.2 x 6.6 x 8.5, appx Group 24 as well
But $700 is a LOT of dough.
But if it's really 3500 full cycles, that's a full discharge cycle every day for 10 years.
With the solar panel my refrigerator cost is like $1300
And the modification effort for the box too. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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westyventures Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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I'm not sure why you would spend $700 for a battery that can be bought for less than 1/2 that? Or is the Costco battery not agm? |
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Sodo Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 9615 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: group 24 in driver seat battery box? (westfalia) |
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'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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