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TinCanFab Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 2743 Location: Waterford, California
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9459 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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Here we go...that is what I am talking about -the proper tools above. Don't ever let anyone you don't need something. Do it right w/ the proper tools. It is more fun and enjoyable to work on something when you have the proper tools.
Here is the plate I machined for removing the gears and/or bearings from the pinion - I just copied the ones in the manual and machined it out of 1-inch steel.
Here are my jigs I also machined from inch steels..the big one was my first jig and then I made another one for the bus.
Here is my stand - I also machined /welded this one.
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jimmyhoffa Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2014 Posts: 1055 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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nsracing wrote: |
Here we go...that is what I am talking about -the proper tools above. Don't ever let anyone you don't need something. Do it right w/ the proper tools. It is more fun and enjoyable to work on something when you have the proper tools. |
That is quite a nice setup there... I could definitely enjoy a few of those tools!
...aaaannnd any amateur looking to learn about transaxles has to build and sell 10 just to break even after buying even half those tools, not to mention finding them. Sweet. I'm sure the OP posting about rebuilding his personal '65 swing box is looking to do just that: start a pop-up temporary small business to get square on a one-time job.
I have a Bobcat in my garage, but when someone needs to dig a medium sized hole for a tree, I explain to them the merits of a $15 shovel from Home Depot instead of showing them pictures of my sweet Bobcat and how I can do it in 1/10th the time without getting blisters. _________________ 1974 Chenowth 2RL #1244 Street Legal
My other car isn't ridiculous. |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9459 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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To the OP - I think you are getting the idea that it is a bunch of tools that will be needed to do this properly. The round nut socket tool you will also need...for removing the large nut from pinion bearing. YOu can make a round nut tool to R/R the #1 bearing as someone already shown you.
The 289d is very nice to have if you will be moving pinions into another case so you can reproduce the running pinion height in the old trans to the news. The 297 set is very nice and used in conjunction w/ the 289d - these are basically the bulk of the tools and jigs to have.
The tools are more extensive than engine work because it is very specialized work. I cannot imagine a VW trans shop who does not have these tools. That will be pathetic in my view. That will be like going to mechanic who cannot even produce a damn screwdriver. That will frustrate the hell out of me if I worked for that shop.
And someone says I need to make money on the trans tools - I don't. I have my tools for my own enjoyment And I have a real job.
Sometimes, I like to build engines and offer a trans to go w/ the motor as a set. And I do that often. But most people just want a bigger motor is all...and neglect the trans In your case, you can learn this and have a little $$ return on your investments. So it is not a loss. |
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TinCanFab Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 2743 Location: Waterford, California
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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nsracing wrote: |
To the OP - I think you are getting the idea that it is a bunch of tools that will be needed to do this properly. The round nut socket tool you will also need...for removing the large nut from pinion bearing. YOu can make a round nut tool to R/R the #1 bearing as someone already shown you.
The 289d is very nice to have if you will be moving pinions into another case so you can reproduce the running pinion height in the old trans to the news. The 297 set is very nice and used in conjunction w/ the 289d - these are basically the bulk of the tools and jigs to have.
The tools are more extensive than engine work because it is very specialized work. I cannot imagine a VW trans shop who does not have these tools. That will be pathetic in my view. That will be like going to mechanic who cannot even produce a damn screwdriver. That will frustrate the hell out of me if I worked for that shop.
And someone says I need to make money on the trans tools - I don't. I have my tools for my own enjoyment And I have a real job.
Sometimes, I like to build engines and offer a trans to go w/ the motor as a set. And I do that often. But most people just want a bigger motor is all...and neglect the trans In your case, you can learn this and have a little $$ return on your investments. So it is not a loss. |
I forgot to mention that I had a Craigslist ad for a while buying cores for $50. There's a good chance parts will need to be robbed to fix whatever you just took apart. I also don't make money with my tools, yet. I hope down the road when I retire I can do some boxes for people when nobody else is alive that did them daily. I can make some cash as a white haired old man still putting around the shop
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/tools1.php
use this ^^^^ link to check out all the tools I didn't show. Auto/IRS/Late Bus.... its a great guide to find what you need. Lots of tools look like they are important and then you see they only work on trannies you'll never work on. _________________ Check out my truck brought back from the dead... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=420762&highlight=sprayed+blood
They're never really ever finished 58 rag build...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=658092 |
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mcmscott Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2010 Posts: 4856 Location: sanger ca
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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Guess myself and most of the other transmission builders just get lucky,,, on thousands of transaxles _________________ There are no stupid questions, only stupid people,
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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mcmscott wrote: |
Guess myself and most of the other transmission builders just get lucky,,, on thousands of transaxles |
just like engines, theirs a lot more to it than having the "right" tools. oh so much more to it. Ive seen toomany that have too much fancy tools that cost a lot but they dont have a effing clue and eff up just about everything they work on, but they THINK they are the best.... |
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1170 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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I bought all the trans tools when our dealership closed. A few are missing parts as I recall. I have them in a few boxes in my workshop, upstairs....somehwere, I haven't used them since the early 90's, but I know they are up there.....Some are pretty worn out. I'll get rid of them one day.
I was told the new ring and pinions are not even marked from standard deviation (as run in on a Gleason machine) so I really don't know how all of the diff measuring equipment is going to help if your not using a OEM gear set.
Having all the proper tools just makes a job easier to do IMO.......Some of the tools needed can be fabricated to work well enough I suppose. It would be a lot of work for one gearbox. _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
'09 MB E350 '18 MB E400, '65 Plymouth Valiant convertible and a '19 Ford F250 King Ranch (nicer, but dirty, farm truck)
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9459 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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I know my tools are sexy and I know how to use them. And I will put my work against any of you numbnuts' work out there. YOur transmissions won't be any better than mine. So there...
Here is my first jig I machined..
And these are my washers I use for cleaning parts. I hate washing by hand w/ spray cans. These are EPA friendly. |
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altered7151 Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2007 Posts: 16
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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nsracing wrote: |
I know my tools are sexy and I know how to use them. And I will put my work against any of you numbnuts' work out there. YOur transmissions won't be any better than mine. So there...
Here is my first jig I machined..
And these are my washers I use for cleaning parts. I hate washing by hand w/ spray cans. These are EPA friendly. |
Do you happen to have the dimensions on the jig you machined for the bus/091 transaxle? |
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MrSpeedy Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2021 Posts: 88 Location: Long Island ,NY
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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Hi, Im not looking to start a forum war, so excuse the loaded question. Has anyone rebuilt a transaxle WITHOUT the specially tools that everyone is saying that you absolutely need? Ive rebuilt some transmissions myself already for myself not for a money making business. I never done a transaxle before, and im sure I can. So I am just curious, has any tried to take one apart with out a press? Assembled without a shift jig? Using hand tools and some ingenuity? Im not by any mean saying a hammer and chisel. They sell brass drifts and punch's for a reason and also soft blow hammers. Not everyone has a machine shop in their garage where they can just whip up a bunch of home made tools. Again, Im not trying to insult anyone or anger anyone, but has anyone tried or have they just thrown in the towel when they don't have the tool? Thanks you too everyone who may answer.
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RCP Phx Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2021 Posts: 496 Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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MrSpeedy wrote: |
Hi, Im not looking to start a forum war, so excuse the loaded question. Has anyone rebuilt a transaxle WITHOUT the specially tools that everyone is saying that you absolutely need? Ive rebuilt some transmissions myself already for myself not for a money making business. I never done a transaxle before, and im sure I can. So I am just curious, has any tried to take one apart with out a press? Assembled without a shift jig? Using hand tools and some ingenuity? Im not by any mean saying a hammer and chisel. They sell brass drifts and punch's for a reason and also soft blow hammers. Not everyone has a machine shop in their garage where they can just whip up a bunch of home made tools. Again, Im not trying to insult anyone or anger anyone, but has anyone tried or have they just thrown in the towel when they don't have the tool? Thanks you too everyone who may answer.
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Some of the tools you can improvise, some can be built, but the jig is absolutely necessary! I cut open a old housing to make mine. |
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MrSpeedy Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2021 Posts: 88 Location: Long Island ,NY
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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Ok,kool,thats exactly what I needed to know |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12697 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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Dad bought a bay window Bus new in '69 and just after the warranty expired the reverse gear dropped out of place and bounced around in the case for 20 miles all the way home. Made a horrible racket!
We pulled it a part and replaced all the damaged bits with new from VW with no special tools at all! Yes it took several tries and several disassemblies until we got it all working correctly but that transaxle was still in there and still working like new (the new owner's words, not mine!) a year ago when I sold it!
It can be done with intelligence and patience. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7537 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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I did my first transaxle not long ago and documented the adventure here.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758907
Depending upon which year transaxle you are building you might need a couple of tools that are still available like the pinion nut socket for later trans or bus side adjusters available at Samstag Sales.
I found a shift fork jig at the swaps for $20.
You can cut up an old case and accomplish the same thing.
A $99 press from Harbor Freight has done the trick quite well.
Other than that, a few sockets and some ingenuity are all that’s needed.
My first one was built from parts from a few different boxes, so all of the diff setup was done completely from scratch.
Turns out i got lucky and my first box hits all gears, doesn’t pop out and runs quiet so far..! _________________ Bus Motor Build
What’s That Noise?!? |
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Kiwi1966 Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2009 Posts: 168 Location: Ohoka New Zealand
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Where to buy transmission Jig and other tools |
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Yea, it can be done at home, I done a few boxes now myself, I am very slow, but get a lot of pleasure of repairing things myself . I picked up a piesler pinion nut tool off ebay, made the other tools/ jigs. have a combination of books, and ask lots of questions from the helpful folks on here
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