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Merling Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2008 Posts: 196 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:58 pm Post subject: 1970 to 1972 swap??? |
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I have another thread on a 1970 with a subaru swap I'm slowly working on between work, family, and pandemic requirements but I came across a cheap 1972 shell that would save me time and money in the body work and paint department so I figured I get some feedback on what you all think.
My thought was I could get the 72 body cleaned up a lot quicker than the 70 and then move the engine, transmission, interior, etc over to the 72. Anything that would be a deal breaker for this (engine / transmission placement & compatibility)? 72 year specifics that may be a PIA moving forward? |
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crukab Samba Chef
Joined: December 13, 2002 Posts: 6116 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 to 1972 swap??? |
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The '70 should have a upright engine, where the '72 is the 1st year of the flat four engine, so there's that. Or are you looking to move the Subie engine into the '72 ? I'd say anything can be done w/ the right amount of time & money, I'm sure it is not a slap it in & roll, more a chop & weld one type engine bay into another. _________________ Tom
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Tbob Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2007 Posts: 417 Location: Pensacola, Fl.
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 to 1972 swap??? |
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I may be missing something, but I can only think of a couple of issues. The 1972 doesn't have a removable rear apron(the sheet metal behind the engine)which could make the engine swap a little harder, and I think some of the interior panels above the engine may not fit between the two. Also, the input shaft on the transmission is 10 mm longer, so may need to be cut to match your engine swap. There's people who know more about the Subaru conversion than I do, and may chime in. Other than that you get disc brakes, and whatever other improvements I forgot between the 2 years. The styling is a little different between the two, and many enthuasiasts think the earlier is more pure to the essence of the Volkswagen Bus.
But other than that. I can't think of any thing that would be a deal braker. _________________ 1969 Deluxe, owned since 1973
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51125 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 to 1972 swap??? |
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A 72 is very different from a 70, they look close but there's a thousand tiny improvements to electrical, mechanical and body parts that the untrained eye doesn't see until they attempt to swap parts.
But if you are already planning a Subaru swap you'll be adapting anyways so it won't matter much, but don't count on too many other parts from the 70 fitting the 72.
The 72 is a better bus as a Subaru candidate than the 70 IMO. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Merling Samba Member
Joined: August 20, 2008 Posts: 196 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 to 1972 swap??? |
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Thanks for the info, the 70 currently has the Subaru in and it's all running but needs body and under carriage work. My plan is to pull everything out, deal with the body and then reinstall. Sounds like the differences may be more headache than it's worth so I'll forge ahead. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16863 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 to 1972 swap??? |
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busdaddy wrote: |
The 72 is a better bus as a Subaru candidate than the 70 IMO. |
meh...neither have an access hatch so it's 6 of 1 half dozen of the other.
I have done it in an early bay without a hatch. not that big of a deal, but for sanity sake if/when service is needed just pull the intake off when service is needed. when laid out correctly its a 5 minute ordeal and a couple of intake gaskets _________________
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51125 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1970 to 1972 swap??? |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
The 72 is a better bus as a Subaru candidate than the 70 IMO. |
meh...neither have an access hatch so it's 6 of 1 half dozen of the other.
I have done it in an early bay without a hatch. not that big of a deal, but for sanity sake if/when service is needed just pull the intake off when service is needed. when laid out correctly its a 5 minute ordeal and a couple of intake gaskets |
Agreed, I was thinking more along the lines of better brakes, electrics, cabin air flow and crash reinforcements. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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