New iPhone SE

[LAGrunthaner]

I've been using my 5s for many years and I've even replaced my battery this year(removing the old battery adhesive was the most difficult). I can get by for another year but soon they will stop allowing upload of apps like with my old iPad.

Has anyone purchased the new SE or have any info share? I only need 2 things more hard drive space and low light photography for work and VW hobby.

Is the new SE equipped with low light photography I don't care about multiple lenses that the 11 has but I might have to pay 2x as much for low light photography in the 11 although 1K-1.5K is crazy. I'm not even happy with the SE at $500. but if it has low light ability I might pony up.
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[KTPhil]

Are you an Apple-only guy? There are good cameras on other brands, too.

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Hard drive space?
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[windfish]

^ I mean, yes, but you know what he meant.

This article seems to answer your question - https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/22/21230308/apple-...mera-price
"...but the disappointment comes with low-light photography. The iPhone SE simply doesn’t do as well there as it does in other situations. There’s no night mode, and in dim light, there’s just too much noise. It’s almost like the whole camera stack panics and overcorrects, especially on portraits."

Depending on how much of that is software there may be future improvements, but I wouldn't count on it.

Edit - this looks interesting though - https://petapixel.com/2019/08/28/neuralcam-night-p...o-iphones/
I ordered a new SE as a replacement to my four year old SE, will be in on Thursday. If you're still on the fence I can post a few example shots, though I'm sure there's a fair number online.

[Abscate]

I take a long time to jump but just went I phone 6 to iPhone 11 Pro


The camera, including low light capability, is ridiculously good.

I’m guessing at least iso 3000
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[Erik G]

I'm phone shopping too. No longer need to be on the bleeding edge of technology, I don't use voice assistant much, don't need facial recognition, etc. I've had both apple and android and they both have pluses. my current phone is an essential, a little niche company that a few guys here on thesamba worked at, its no longer and they are no longer making updates. I'm leaning on the new pixel 4a that should be coming out at the end of the month. looks like the best bang for $400. I could buy a $1K phone but just don't see the need
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[LAGrunthaner]

Yes Erik G the Pixel is a great phone and did low light 3 years ago. For me I didn't want to have to learn how to get all my photos on my MacBook Pro. I also have a PC form work as all my CAD classrooms are PC only. I might be better off with buying an oder Pixel with the low light as I know how it works and just use it for work photography but then I have 2 and that would be a pita

[LAGrunthaner]

Oddly my 5s just updated to the newest IOS. Being the new SE does not have low light capability I might have to let another year go.
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[raygreenwood]

So....what is interesting about the iphone 11 camera system?...mind you I am an Android guy....but I own about 8 cameras....and do a lot of industrial photography.

And....there is not a single "phone" in the world...that can do what I do with my SLR's....you just do not have the lenses. None of them are "cameras"...in my opinion. But....for about 95% of what the average person "needs" a camera for.....your modern smart phones are very, very damn good!

So the i-phone 11. Back in ...October I was in China. I cannot tell you who I was working for....but on the way in to the plant one morning (long drive)...I got to play with a pre-release, engineering copy of the i-phone eleven with the three lens system

The fact that it has three lenses is not amazing. What it does via software...and algorithm....IS amazing.

So...in normal digital SLR photography...when using high end macro lenses and professional lighting to photograph...."difficult"....surfaces and materials (transparent, shiny, chrome, multilayered etc)...items that are actually easy to photograph with FILM.....are difficult with digital because the sensor produces too much data in some areas and not enough control of depth of field in others....and its too sensitive to refection and certain light wavelengths.

So....its common....for professional photographers to mount the camera on a stable tripod....and set the lighting and depth of field...and take a picture. Then without moving the camera....reset the depth of field and lighting and take another picture at a different exposure. You might take five mechanically different photographs on the same focal axis.

Then you load that into PS or Lightroom using one of numerous software packages....which digitally stitch together or "laminate" all of those lighting and detail views....into one photograph.....that much more closely mimics the actual massive depth of field and lighting....that you get with the human eye.

That......is what the I-phone 11 camera system is capable of doing....in the phone...in the camera.

To a certain extent...any of the systems like the pixel are working with largely the same technology....but the apple system with the three lenses takes it one three tweaked digital axes.

Very impressive. These features of the 11 and the pixels....are as close as they have gotten to A. the human eye response and B. getting around the the advantage that the SLR lens system and sensor size have. Ray

[KTPhil]

Plus, you can't fit a Nikon D810 in your pocket...

[oprn]

Just got one today. I will see how it goes...

Had to pay $690 + tax Canadian dollars.

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[ach60]

New iPhone SE, OH GOD No!
I'm a former Apple Addict, but the luster has well worn off for me.
Honestly after using HP computers for the last 10+ years, at work,
as my Apple products at home died, I replaced them with HP's, Dells, and Google Books at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost.
My Sister died 2 years ago and left us 2 Mac Books, one old, and one brand new.
These, Mac Books were both unusable,
but my wife spent 4 hours at the Apple Store, and they were able to get them running again.
I am impressed that my Super duper iMac with a 27" screen from 2008, is still running good, but hadn't had an update in 4 years.
Phones/Pads/Computers/Washing Machines are commodity appliances,
The Apple is just not that better, or more stable a platform, than the commodity brands like HP.
The AT&T salesman was shocked by my attitude towards spending $300+ on a f&&&ing phone.
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[KTPhil]

I'll weight in on the HP/Apple comparison. It was about 8 years ago that the HDD on my HP desktop began to get wonky. I added a second hard drive to back up my data, then sought to replace the primary drive and re-install Windows from the CDs I bought with the PC (full price, mind you).

Between Window's anti-piracy routines and the similar HP proprietary hardware, it never worked again. Oh, I could have spent over $600 for an HP-branded HDD that literally was the $150 generic unit plus HP software pre-installed on a special part of the HDD... effectively making it NOT a clone and NOT open architecture, but rather a proprietary, HP-only relic.

If I am going to pay Apple prices, I want Apple reliability. HP would not budge and that's the last HP PC I bought (after three for home and of course many at work). Never again.

So I bought a 27" non-retina display mac just after the retina models came out, so it was cheap. I loaded it with memory and a large HDD.

It's fast enough for office applications and mild Photoshopping, and I'm not a gamer. So 8 years later it runs the latest OS and apps, and has crashed a total of 4 times in 8 years. Solid as a rock, and other than a broken keyboard my wife drowned cleaning. It's been bulletproof.

Turned out the be the least expensive PC I ever bought, when you consider it's yearly life cycle cost.

[OB Bus]

I'll chime in here with KTPs comments.
I was a PC person from 1987 forward. I would smirk at people with their expensive but glamorous Apple products that would not run the ordinary software that "everyone" used.

That was until we had 3 PC laptops fail over a 3 year span. Major fails. Data lost. I consulted with our tech crew (our 3 adult children) about what to do. Their opinion was unanimous: get a Mac. Eldest son: "Dad get the Mac, you will be much happier." So 6 years ago we bought a refurbished MacBook Pro from Apple for about $1800. Except from one broken key on the keyboard (a cat walked across the keyboard and hooked a key) it has been perfect. Cheapest $1800 I have ever spent.

We have since converted to iPhones and an iPad also. And Apple's phone help is outstanding.
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[EverettB]

The HP-only hard drives sound insane but I immediately wonder if there is some way around that. Changing the BIOS or something to get around it and use any off-the-shelf drive.
I can't see numerous computer people putting up with that sort of crap and they would figure out a way to make it work.
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