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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4790 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 6:35 pm Post subject: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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all sorts of red flags here... the photo isn't of an ECU chip but just a 2 wire lead off a mystery box, no instructions, no data sheet, wild claims. anyone have more info on it?
https://performancechiprevamp.com/volkswagen-vanagon-performance-chip _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
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SteveVanB Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1645 Location: This side of Daytona
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: PCR Performance vanagon "chip"? |
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Send me the $60 and I'll tell you your van runs better, faster, stronger _________________ 91 CARAT |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7922 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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"Essentially, adding up to 60 Horsepower and up to 8 MPG for you to enjoy on the road!"
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There is/was a genuine performance chip available for the Digi Cabriolets and even it doesn't provide nearly that much of a gain. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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dobryan Samba Member
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Love My Westy Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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It will probably void your warranty (the one you bought from the guy who called last week). |
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RoryGirl Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2016 Posts: 784 Location: WestWorld Nanaimo BC
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2020 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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Snake oil...not the same brand, and a long ass video - but
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22668 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 3:01 am Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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You old cynical farts have no idea of what a kid can do with a computer nowadays, I got this mod and it’s at least a75 hoarse improvement.
Off to clamp the magnets on my fuel lines.
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It will probably void your warranty (the one you bought from the guy who called last week) |
Excellent !! _________________ .ssS! |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4790 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 5:18 am Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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could. not. resist. no, i didn't buy it but i did send them a message asking for installation instructions. i want to figure out what they are tapping into with 2 wires that fits a variety of vehicles and affects fuel and timing. i'm guessing they are putting a resistance bias in the temp circuit making the engine think it is colder than it is, increasing fuel enrichment. this is from their FAQ:
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Will the Performance Module damage my vehicles engine?
No, it is simply not possible when using our module. Since our Performance Module merely sends a continuous signal to the ECM, it triggers the Factory Engine Control Module to adjust itself for a more optimum fuel mixture and timing curve, which means that you're fully protected by the built-in safeguards in your Factory Engine Control Module. Put simply, our modules only work within the factory parameters and cannot cause any minor or permanent damage at all. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17153 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 6:20 am Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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Without disabling the stock OXS, any fuel changes are going to be negated by the OXS sensor.
You can’t add more fuel and get better mpg. You could possibly measure more
power. If you are in the area, bring your van and device. We’ll strap it on the dyno and do back to back pulls. _________________ ☮️ |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:31 am Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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I've got a performance vanagon chip.
It's a 1.8t
Although if you were driving behind me you wouldn't think it, because after the initial fun I found myself settling into the same old driving speed.
Isn't that strange.... _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 10:30 am Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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DanHoug wrote: |
..... i want to figure out what they are tapping into with 2 wires that fits a variety of vehicles and affects fuel and timing. i'm guessing they are putting a resistance bias in the temp circuit making the engine think it is colder than it is, increasing fuel enrichment. |
Below is from an Acura forum but....
I'd guess that for the Vanagon, this beauty gets shunted onto IAT wires at the AFM connector? i saw two images showing what was purported to be an opened up chip. One had a resistor across two wires the other had a chip on a PCB that didn't appear to have much or anything else on it. So, who knows whats inside this thing.
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1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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RawUmber Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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FWIW, that chip is just a simple package of 8 isolated 10kΩ resistors. Would need to see the other side of the proto board to know if there's anything else going on.
The Air Flow Meter, Coolant Temperature sensor, Air Temperature sensor, and O2 sensor inputs to the ECU can all be manipulated to make the air/fuel ratio more rich or lean. Just don't count on both more power and more MPG. |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: PCR Performance Vanagon "chip"? |
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RawUmber wrote: |
FWIW, that chip is just a simple package of 8 isolated 10kΩ resistors. Would need to see the other side of the proto board to know if there's anything else going on. |
Interesting. Thanks.
Image below is from this TDI forum post
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=499206
but of course I have no idea who actually built this:
_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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