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kpf
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 Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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I'd love to buy jacks, jack stands, and tools like my dad had when I was growing up. But yard sales, etc. are the only possible way. There is nobody making tools like that anymore anywhere in the world for any price.
I'd love to buy American, but paying $400 for the same crappy jack stand because it has "at least 51% of assembly performed in the US" is not going to happen. That's not how to save jobs.
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Zundfolge1432 
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| kpf wrote: |
| I'd love to buy jacks, jack stands, and tools like my dad had when I was growing up. But yard sales, etc. are the only possible way. There is nobody making tools like that anymore anywhere in the world for any price. I'd love to buy American. |
There is boat loads of this stuff still around and it sells for pennies, it helps to know what it looks like because it’s hiding in plain sight.
www.alloy-artifacts.com
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Erik G
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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The older American stuff is rebuildable professional and meant to last a lifetime. The chinese shit is throwaway disposable but you’ll keep buying it right?
This is a real American made hein Warner from late 60s. While you’re getting drunk Memorial Day think about all the products we don’t make anymore because good Americans support china via harbor freight. |
that's a whole lot of shit talking right there. Guess if you're old and bought it new thats all well and dandy, but I'm not and didn't  and flea markets, etc aren't exactly open right now
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| Erik G wrote: |
| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
The older American stuff is rebuildable professional and meant to last a lifetime. The chinese shit is throwaway disposable but you’ll keep buying it right?
This is a real American made hein Warner from late 60s. While you’re getting drunk Memorial Day think about all the products we don’t make anymore because good Americans support china via harbor freight. |
that's a whole lot of shit talking right there. Guess if you're old and bought it new thats all well and dandy, but I'm not and didn't and flea markets, etc aren't exactly open right now |
Excuses, excuses😀 just buck up and own it. |
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wheel607
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 3:11 am Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| I can barely read the label on my 25 year old Hein Werner jack stands………..I thought for sure they were made in the USA....They were made in CHINA. Now I am looking for my NAPA round cylinder type, about 40 years old. I am sure they were USA. MAYBE! |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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Has anyone taken a look at “ the problem “ maybe you could take a rotary file and enlarge the groove where pawl seats for better engagement. Just an idea.  |
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Has anyone taken a look at “ the problem “ maybe you could take a rotary file and enlarge the groove where pawl seats for better engagement. Just an idea. |
That may be possible, but repairing or modifying an item that has been recalled for a serious safety issue may not be a good idea. Better to scrap them and find better ones, wherever they may have been built.
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| you must have a shop full of it.but probably dont know it. Ive had many that dont work.and american ones that are pure shit, they are nolonger around... well one or 2 are still hear afu and rusted.as of yet I havent had any china units waddup. most china jack stands are built over kill for the rating, but many have shite for ratshit mecha nissium...and some have a roll pin holding the prawl, they should of been/should be welded. but that makes disassembly inpossiable... a good grade 8 or tit boilt may be better if you like taking yours apart for relaxation. |
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Zundfolge1432
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| cdennisg wrote: |
| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Has anyone taken a look at “ the problem “ maybe you could take a rotary file and enlarge the groove where pawl seats for better engagement. Just an idea. |
That may be possible, but repairing or modifying an item that has been recalled for a serious safety issue may not be a good idea. Better to scrap them and find better ones, wherever they may have been built. |
Crazy me thinking like a mechanic solving a problem but if they are giving you a replacement that’s ok too. 😀 I’ve worked many a service bulletin or recall that requires an easy fix but because of liability they have to treat it like this because consumers are stupid and cannot affect a solution. I keep forgetting that because I’m a licensed mechanic. Carry on. 😀 |
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| cdennisg wrote: |
| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Has anyone taken a look at “ the problem “ maybe you could take a rotary file and enlarge the groove where pawl seats for better engagement. Just an idea. |
That may be possible, but repairing or modifying an item that has been recalled for a serious safety issue may not be a good idea. Better to scrap them and find better ones, wherever they may have been built. |
Crazy me thinking like a mechanic solving a problem but if they are giving you a replacement that’s ok too. 😀 I’ve worked many a service bulletin or recall that requires an easy fix but because of liability they have to treat it like this because consumers are stupid and cannot affect a solution. I keep forgetting that because I’m a licensed mechanic. Carry on. 😀 |
True, it is quite likely an easy fix that any of us here could remedy. But to expect everyday consumers to take care of things would be a stretch, especially with many auto recall situations.
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kpf
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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Checked mine and all four of them were the recalled part number. Took them back today and got $44 for them (HF gift card).
The defect was strange. Hard to see what exactly was wrong, but the pawl didn’t fit the ratchet teeth well. It looked like they ground it too much and lopsided.
For any jack stand, you should inspect it, check any welds, check how the mechanism works. It’s a simple thing. When I first got mine I noticed that one in particular seemed janky. I selected the best two out of four and so far never needed more than two at a time.
I’m glad I survived the experience!
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Has anyone taken a look at “ the problem “ maybe you could take a rotary file and enlarge the groove where pawl seats for better engagement. Just an idea. |
That may be possible, but repairing or modifying an item that has been recalled for a serious safety issue may not be a good idea. Better to scrap them and find better ones, wherever they may have been built. |
Crazy me thinking like a mechanic solving a problem but if they are giving you a replacement that’s ok too. 😀 I’ve worked many a service bulletin or recall that requires an easy fix but because of liability they have to treat it like this because consumers are stupid and cannot affect a solution. I keep forgetting that because I’m a licensed mechanic. Carry on. 😀 |
Wow. You'd put in the effort to "fix" chintzy, crappy jack stands? If the manufacturer cut corners on the manufacturing, then what's to say corners weren't cut on the material used? Being maimed or killed is not a pretty way for an auto repair to end.
The people complaining about the cost of tools need to learn to pay once and cry once by putting in some effort to search Teh Inteweb Thingy. Torrin is one of the better brands out there.
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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| Gary wrote: |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| Has anyone taken a look at “ the problem “ maybe you could take a rotary file and enlarge the groove where pawl seats for better engagement. Just an idea. |
That may be possible, but repairing or modifying an item that has been recalled for a serious safety issue may not be a good idea. Better to scrap them and find better ones, wherever they may have been built. |
Crazy me thinking like a mechanic solving a problem but if they are giving you a replacement that’s ok too. 😀 I’ve worked many a service bulletin or recall that requires an easy fix but because of liability they have to treat it like this because consumers are stupid and cannot affect a solution. I keep forgetting that because I’m a licensed mechanic. Carry on. 😀 |
Wow. You'd put in the effort to "fix" chintzy, crappy jack stands? If the manufacturer cut corners on the manufacturing, then what's to say corners weren't cut on the material used? Being maimed or killed is not a pretty way for an auto repair to end.
The people complaining about the cost of tools need to learn to pay once and cry once by putting in some effort to search Teh Inteweb Thingy. Torrin is one of the better brands out there. |
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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^^^^
I have the Snap-Off version of those. I call them "car show" stands. no way in hell would I get under a car with them.
I have always used this style
way, way back in shop class we had a OSHA guy come thru and do a shop safety gig for the class. he strongly advised against the use of the ratchet style stands.
every "commercial" shop I have been in (fleet maintenance, HD truck and equipment) have always had the pin style stands in the tool crib
the aluminum ones pictured above leave a lot to be desired. like I said, I have the Snap-Off version and they are a bit flimsy to me. great for doing a tire or something...but no way would I support a car and get under it with those.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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^^^ Good to know. I have a set similar to those you pictured that I use for getting under heavy stuff. I have a very old set of HF ratchet style stands for using under lower, lighter stuff, which I don't fit under anyway.
And I have a hoist, so the jack stands don't see much use anymore.
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 3:12 am Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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I mean these $250 jack stands look exactly like northern tools
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If you have jack stands like these, inspect the weld/s at the seams. I had a set that were just tack welded in one spot near the lower edge. This weld popped & the legs splayed outward & the stand collapsed.
You can see that the seam is fully welded on these.
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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If you have jack stands like these, inspect the weld/s at the seams. I had a set that were just tack welded in one spot near the lower edge. This weld popped & the legs splayed outward & the stand collapsed.
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Didn't we have a thread on here in the last few years where this was discussed? I recall a warning just as you describe pertaining to this style of stand splitting at the seams, and the recommendation was to get a type that is not even built with that seam in the first place.
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Harbor Freight jack stand recall |
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If you have jack stands like these, inspect the weld/s at the seams. I had a set that were just tack welded in one spot near the lower edge. This weld popped & the legs splayed outward & the stand collapsed.
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Didn't we have a thread on here in the last few years where this was discussed? I recall a warning just as you describe pertaining to this style of stand splitting at the seams, and the recommendation was to get a type that is not even built with that seam in the first place. |
Probably. Since these were brought up again I wanted to point it out since this is a VERY dangerous situation that I encountered. When the first one splayed out, the other twisted & folded up dropping the car to the floor. The other sets that I had, I welded the entire seam & they have been fine.
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