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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

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and a set of super squishes.



time for a turbo!
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

the 86B is a lovely cam isn't it!
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

sled wrote:
UK Luke 72 wrote:
and a set of super squishes.



time for a turbo!


I may have been looking a little bit Laughing

andy198712 wrote:
the 86B is a lovely cam isn't it!


It really is. I'm amazed at how well it picks up with such large ITBs.

In other news, turns out I was only getting 70% or so of throttle.
I've 'redesigned' my pulley to ensure I get maximum pull, also, it's now elliptical to give finer resolution at low throttle openings and wang it right open up top.
I'll get that bolted up this morning and see if I've completely messed that up Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 2:38 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

We'll the vac manifold seems to have worked well, the throttle linkage not so Laughing

Didn't get out on the road, but the Autotune feature has gone wild!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:02 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

Loving the awesome weather and quiet lockdown roads we've had.
Still driving well, lots of progress on the tune.

Throttle linkage is working better, getting full pull now but one side is hanging slightly on the way down sometimes...

New shocks should be here today (Gaz adjustable) so will change the oi/filterl, fit some new silicone rocker gaskets and the shocks and see how that handles.
Really ought to get the passenger seat fitted too Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

Sounds an awful lot like I've just lost a rod bearing...
Cruising along around 70mph, 3500 rpm and starting knocking pretty bad, limped off the A1 and got towed home.

Never lost oil pressure
Hot idle still 15-20 psi
Looking back through the data logs, it didn't over heat, no mad spark advance, no lean spike.
Wasn't kicking its head it either!
Gonna start pulling it apart in the morning.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

bummer.... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

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bummer.... Crying or Very sad

This ^^^^^^.
At least you got the opportunity to drive it before.......
The possible rod bearing went tits up!

I lost a rod bearing 19.43 minutes/seconds into the cam break-in on a fresh 1600 SP recently. Twisted Evil
That took the wind out of my sails!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

clonebug wrote:
bummer.... Crying or Very sad


Might find something much less sinister, you never know Very Happy

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clonebug wrote:
bummer.... Crying or Very sad

This ^^^^^^.
At least you got the opportunity to drive it before.......
The possible rod bearing went tits up!

I lost a rod bearing 19.43 minutes/seconds into the cam break-in on a fresh 1600 SP recently. Twisted Evil
That took the wind out of my sails!


Damn yeah I remember reading the updates on your thread.
Bizarre really, done maybe 1000 km on this engine. Odd to have not lost the rod nearer the start when I had loads of issues with the MS side of things.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:19 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

Turns out the valve guides have moved!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:28 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

Duplicate
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:36 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

Looks like she swallowed up something.

Sad to see..
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

Yeah that's part of the valve guide mashed into the chamber.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

The next question is which heads are these, and why......
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

UK Luke 72 wrote:
Yeah that's part of the valve guide mashed into the chamber.


Yet me guess, exhaust guide.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

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The next question is which heads are these, and why......


They're the Mofoco heads although I don't feel that is particularly pertinent, I had them ported (details earlier in the thread) and new guides fitted then.

The guy that did the work has them back and is fixing it.

The piston I'll clean up and will hopefully go again.



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Yeah that's part of the valve guide mashed into the chamber.


Yet me guess, exhaust guide.


Inlet
Would it even be possible for an exhaust guide to make it back into the chamber?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

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jpaull wrote:
The next question is which heads are these, and why......


They're the Mofoco heads although I don't feel that is particularly pertinent, I had them ported (details earlier in the thread) and new guides fitted then.

The guy that did the work has them back and is fixing it.

The piston I'll clean up and will hopefully go again.



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Yeah that's part of the valve guide mashed into the chamber.

Yes high vacuum decel at overlap can suck parts back in. Never happened to me but I have heard of it happening. Has the intake guide come loose? Never liked what dual springs does for intake guide retention. Dan

Yet me guess, exhaust guide.


Inlet
Would it even be possible for an exhaust guide to make it back into the chamber?


Yes high vacuum decel at overlap can suck parts back in. Never happened to me but I have heard of it happening. Has the intake guide come loose? Never liked what dual springs does for intake guide retention. Dan
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

Plausible I guess.
Inlet though.

Assume they just weren't fitted as tight as they should've been.
Or maybe they should be stepped?

Suppose it wouldn't have been an issue if the guide boss hadn't been reduced considerably when ported...

I didn't strip the heads, dropped them off complete.

Is the tan discolouration any cause for concern?
No funky AFRs looking through the datalogs.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily Reply with quote

This is why I never remove guides unless absolutely necessary.

Sorry about your failure.
Something wasn't happy in the valve trane for sure.

Do you have anymore failure analysis?
Did the guide migrate down? Or did it just fall apart?

Never seen an intake guide fall apart like that.
I have seen them move and swedge onto the valve.

Valve float is usually the culprit. A valve floats, hits the top of the guide pounding downward into the valve. Grabbed the valve and then things start to come apart.

Good excuse for shortened guides.

I blame the 86B cam..
LOL..
I really don't like that cam...
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