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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

^^^ All depends on the size of your hose... Wink

After rereading this thread, my plan for the old 2.1 is 1.5" hose plus
cable ties for insurance. If I had a 1.9 I'd use screw clamps for sure... Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

I've had way too many cable ties break on me over the years.

For something as important as intake manifold vacuum? Clamps for sure!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

Good point... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

I am thinking about doing this to eliminate any possible vacuum leaks. How difficult is this job? I plan on upgrading my fuel rails and it might be a good idea to tackle this. From what I understand, I need

4x Intake Manifold to Plenum Boot
2x Engine Intake Manifold Gasket
1x O-Ring for Breather Tower
1x Throttle Body to Intake Manifold Gasket

new fuel injector seals also will be going in.

Am I missing anything? Does anyone know a good source for silicon plenum boots?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

shagginwagon83 wrote:
I am thinking about doing this to eliminate any possible vacuum leaks. How difficult is this job? I plan on upgrading my fuel rails and it might be a good idea to tackle this. From what I understand, I need

4x Intake Manifold to Plenum Boot
2x Engine Intake Manifold Gasket
1x O-Ring for Breather Tower
1x Throttle Body to Intake Manifold Gasket

new fuel injector seals also will be going in.

Am I missing anything? Does anyone know a good source for silicon plenum boots?

i am just doing the same thing. All out, plenum and intake tubes painted. I bought all the items you have on your list. Just add stainless clamps for the boots(4)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

shagginwagon83 wrote:
I am thinking about doing this to eliminate any possible vacuum leaks. How difficult is this job? I plan on upgrading my fuel rails and it might be a good idea to tackle this. From what I understand, I need

4x Intake Manifold to Plenum Boot
2x Engine Intake Manifold Gasket
1x O-Ring for Breather Tower
1x Throttle Body to Intake Manifold Gasket

new fuel injector seals also will be going in.

Am I missing anything? Does anyone know a good source for silicon plenum boots?


Difficulty - not very, no special tools.
Time - less than 2 hours to take apart, probably about 2 to put back together. Plus time to clean and paint. Once the runners are off, gently plug the intake ports of the head with rags so you dont drop anything down there.

Silicon Plenum Boots - Amazon "HPS HTST-150-BLK" 12inch lenth, 1-1/2"ID Black.
Clamps, not sure where I got them, make sure they are SS.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

dougass wrote:
shagginwagon83 wrote:
I am thinking about doing this to eliminate any possible vacuum leaks. How difficult is this job? I plan on upgrading my fuel rails and it might be a good idea to tackle this. From what I understand, I need

4x Intake Manifold to Plenum Boot
2x Engine Intake Manifold Gasket
1x O-Ring for Breather Tower
1x Throttle Body to Intake Manifold Gasket

new fuel injector seals also will be going in.

Am I missing anything? Does anyone know a good source for silicon plenum boots?


Difficulty - not very, no special tools.
Time - less than 2 hours to take apart, probably about 2 to put back together. Plus time to clean and paint. Once the runners are off, gently plug the intake ports of the head with rags so you dont drop anything down there.

Silicon Plenum Boots - Amazon "HPS HTST-150-BLK" 12inch lenth, 1-1/2"ID Black.
Clamps, not sure where I got them, make sure they are SS.


Thanks so much! I'm going to tackle this project this weekend.
Those hose clamps are going to be expensive!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

Shag - those clamps may be overkill... I think I picked mine up at autozone or something for much cheaper
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

dougass wrote:
Shag - those clamps may be overkill... I think I picked mine up at autozone or something for much cheaper

Overkill is underrated.

I guess that doesn't apply to this. Especially cause some people are using zip ties! I found these. From my research I gathered the Hoses have an Outside Diameter: 1 7/8" (48mm). These are 2" and I think will work. And half the price.

https://www.amazon.com/Squirrelly-Stainless-T-Bolt...amp+T-bolt
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

Just a quick heads up that link goes to 2.5" clamps.

Here's the 2": https://www.amazon.com/Squirrelly-Stainless-T-Bolt...3427JH5RQY
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

shagginwagon83 wrote:
... source for silicon plenum boots?

FWIW: Because I'm cheap, I got 2 of these for 1/2 the price... (barely $15 total)...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GXJSJEQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

dhaavers wrote:
shagginwagon83 wrote:
... source for silicon plenum boots?

FWIW: Because I'm cheap, I got 2 of these for 1/2 the price... (barely $15 total)...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GXJSJEQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Cool

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Ah where were you 8 hours ago homie!? Great idea I might have to return mine and go that route.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

If u have a lowes home imp. store around you, they sell contractor pack of clamps, 10 pieces SS about 8 bucks. 7/8 to 1 3/4 in. sizes. Great deal.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

Yeah, I don't think this is a place needing high end clamps.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

IdahoDoug wrote:
Yeah, I don't think this is a place needing high end clamps.

Doug


No matter the location the cheese grater clamps belong on black plastic irrigation pipe, not on rubber engine hoses ....... ever.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

Boy oh boy what fun!

I removed the plenum today. I found out one of the 4 bolts holding the oil breather was very loose! The O-ring gasket for that was very brittle and snapped when I slightly bent it. I have quite a bit of oil on the engine that was behind that tower. Phone died so I could not get a picture tonight. I am hoping that was the reason for all that oil on that top side of the engine.

Any tips on removing the old gasket? I stuffed shop rags down the holes. I guess I should take the time to test my aux air regulator.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

As far as removing the gasket I used a wire toothbrush. It took a lot of work, but I got the job finished. It seems to run better. My engine still shakes quite a bit but that could be because of motor mounts.

To summarize, I replaced

-intake gaskets
-fuel injector rubber/seals
-MAF sensor gasket (wasn't really needed)
-Oil breather gasket (highly needed)
-Throttle body gasket
-4x Plenum tubes
-All vacuum lines with clamps on almost EVERY connection
-All new fuel lines per GoWesty with anti-rub sleeves
-Van Cafe's fuel rails
-NGK spark plugs with .028" gap
-Added capacitor to MAF for vanagon syndrome

While I was in there I cleaned up the engine a little

-Cleaned MAF sensor
-Cleaned Throttle body
-Cleaned inside Plenum + intake tubes, painted both
-added dielectric grease to electrical connections
-added liquid electrical tape to some electrical connections
-tested aux air valve

It was a lot of work, but I am confident in everything I replaced.
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indytriple wrote:
tencentlife wrote:

You can get 2' lengths of 2" ID silicone tube at: http://www.siliconeintakes.com/index.php?cPath=6&osCsid=468d65bd1b6f26814f30a4545ab9c264

The 2" tube will seal nicely on the 2.1 runners making clamps optional, the 1.9 runners are slightly smaller so clamps are needed. #24 stainless clamps can be found at the home supply stores.


I never thought I'd see the day where I would be correcting Chris on the message board, but it seems that the 2.1 runners actually require 1.625" (or 1 5/8") ID silicone hose. I bought a 2' length of 2" silicone hose from the link above, and the diameter is way too big. Got out the 'ol calipers on the runners, and they seem to be a perfect fit for the 1.625" hose that they offer. Just wanted to put it out there in case anyone else embarks on this project. I'm taking suggestions on what to do with the 2' of 2" silicone hose. Points given for creativity.



So If you have a 1.9L I guess the question is to go with the 1.625ID or the 1.5ID hose?? Anyone?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

I'd add, the intake runner gaskets have a correct orientation, that could be easily missed. Ask me how I know. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: New Plenum and Intake tubes, cleaned injectors too! Reply with quote

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I'd add, the intake runner gaskets have a correct orientation, that could be easily missed. Ask me how I know. Wink


Correct and the orientation is noticed. I guess if I went with the 1.6ID, I could just use the cheese grate hose clamps and still be ok. These old woven stock ones for the 1.9 are 2"ID it looks like. I was looking to see what others are using on their 1.9s. I know, I know these 1.9s are becoming somewhat obsolete. Ha!
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