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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 3:05 pm    Post subject: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

I did a lot of searching but could only find information on using Odyssey batteries for auxiliary purposes. Has anybody used one as a starting battery?

Here is the link to the model they recommend for the Vanagon https://shop.odysseybattery.com/p/96r-600

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ODYSSEY Performance Series battery Model 96R-600 with SAE posts

Designed to handle the increased use of onboard accessories in today's vehicles, ODYSSEY Performance Series batteries combine long service life, high reliability and deep cycle capabilities. The ODYSSEY Performance series batteries provide all the reliability of the ODYSSEY Extreme Series batteries but without the high cold cranking amps (CCA) or reserve capacity (RC) that many people may not require.

Pulse Hot Cranking Amps (PHCA): 1100
Cold Cranking Amps (CCA): 600
20Hr Nominal Capacity (Ah): 52
Reserve Capacity Minutes: 90
Dimensions L x W x H (in): 9.50 x 6.88 x 6.88
Weight (lbs): 40.1


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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

I have the 65-PC1750 under the passenger seat. It fits well on it's side, terminals pointing forward,
with some minor trimming of the battery box.

I love it.. it is a MEAN one..very high quality and loads of power, 950 CCA to start my TDI even in the coldest weather.

Not cheap though but well worth it imho..
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

They finally released it. Odyssey has been teasing this for a while when you search for Vanagon fitment. The specs look pretty good compared to the Interstate MT-41. I guess I'm sinking more money into the Syncro… My current battery is 5 years old anyway!

Thanks for passing along the link!

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

USD$ 257.49

Wow. What is the benefit of this battery that costs +2x an ordinary starting battery? 10+ years lifespan?

I've heard a lot about Odyssey batteries on BMW moto forums and elsewhere but I don't understand the benefit for a Group 41 starting battery when typical batteries serve the function pretty well.
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

Since I don't have an auxiliary battery setup, I want the beefiest starting battery I can find. I occasionally will camp for 5 days in a row, using LED lights, charging cell phones, etc. It's extra insurance that when it is time to go we won't have any issues starting and need to call for a jump start.

Long been a fan of the AGM batteries, the similar Optimas which are much more cheaply manufactured than in the past are now $200. https://www.optimabatteries.com/en-us/redtop-starting-battery/7525
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 6:47 am    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

^^^Check.
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

At 52 amp hours it holds less than a Group 41. Top 41 is about 70 amp hours.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

I'm a battery newbie, just now starting to learn about deep cycle and solar charging. I am finding a lot of conflicting information on which is better, Reserve Capacity or Amp Hours, but my understanding is these are very different tests and cannot simply be converted from one to another mathematically.

Two very popular starting battery brands don't even list Amp Hours in the specs (I think they are both made by Johnson Controls), my understanding is that means they haven't been tested for deep cycle use?

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https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/premium-4988/...rm/4742372

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https://www.autozone.com/ignition-tune-up-and-rout...6208_25698

Is there a general consensus on the forum for which rating is more important for this type of usage?

Where can I find Group 41 batteries with high Amp Hour ratings?
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2020 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

While my experience with a Red Top Optima is out of date and not the same as what you're looking at, I didn't get any longer life out of my Glass Mat Optima than a regular battery, and I sure paid a lot more to buy it new.
I DID however, have ZERO issue with corrosion and acid leakage, so for our Vanagons alone, in that antique battery box below the seat, that might outweigh cost issues compared to not having to do body work from acid attacking steel... Rolling Eyes

Once more thing to consider... Razz Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

I've been a fan of AGM batteries. If charged correctly they seem to last a bit longer. Due to the lack of corrosion problems, especially with the stock battery location in the Van inside the passenger compartment has me interested in the Odyssey option.

I was about to order:

https://www.interstatebatteries.com/products/mt-41

The Odyssey #96R-600 looks like it will fit and the terminals look to be on the correct side.

Specs listed on the websites -

Interstate MT 41 = 11.5 x 6 7/8 x 6 5/8 (L x W x H)
- - which converts to: 11.5 x 6.88 x 6.63

Odyssey = 9.50 x 6.88 x 6.88 (L x W x H)

CCA is lower but close.

It is a bit more money - still worth considering...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

I'm on my Second Northstar AGM, which is quite similar to Odyssey in their thin plate pure lead design.

I got very impressive life out of the group 27, over 1200 deep cycles and blowing well past 50% state of charge when it suited my electrical needs. Could easily start my 5.2 liter v8 engine depleted 65 of its 90AH capacity

When it degraded to the point engine starting was iffy even fully charged right at the 6 year mark, I got a group 31 to replace it and it lasted 6 more months being cycled lighter, but has really taken a dump in the last few weeks and is likely down to about 15 amp hours capacity, or less.

These TPPL AGMS, when deeply cycled LOVE, a high amp recharge.

My new group 31 depleted 62 of its 103 amp hours, 134 amps of plug in charging sources was not enough to instantly bring it to 14.7v. It was climbing up there when teh circuit feeding the charging sources tripped, and I restarted it at 94 amps and it took about 10 minutes before voltaeg reached 14.7v and amps began to taper.

If I rely only on Solar, to hold mine at 14.7v until amps taper to 0.5( considered fully charged) it seems to get a bit lazier in the voltage retention department and the violently fast engine starting ability is also dimmed a bit. The cure is a deep discharge and instantly applying high amperage and then charging to full. I've never had any battery reach full charge as fast.

The CCA test is 30 seconds long, which is why both Odyssey and Northstar tout a Pulse cranking amp figure of 5 seconds. My group 27 930CCA northstar could crank my engine faster than 3 group 27 marine batteries at 650 CCA each, in parallel, could.

If one plans on deep cycling either of these TPPL AGMS, I would recommend a charger that can supply at least 40 amps per 100 amp hours of capacity. Perhaps not 40 amps every deep cycle, but at least 1 per 10 deep cycles.

Nosthstar AGMs are sold as X2 power by batteries +, and I think they add another year to the warranty, 5 yearsfree replacement instead of 4, or 4 instead of 3, but don't quote me on that. I have no expectations of requiring the warranty after it proves itself capable the first few cycles.

I think a lot of people who want the extra safety of being able to start the engine when the battery is well depleted, are better off carrying a jumper pack, unless they really want a TPPL high$$ AGM AND can meet the 40% charge rate on occassion.

These TPPL agms can easily overwhelm/overheat a well wired alternator seeking 14.2v or higher. My group 31 easily maxes out my 120 amp alternator when depleted, and can max it out for log enough to push it well over 220F, unless at highway speeds. Idling, forget it, driving slow at low rpm and it climbs right upto 220f, but 65 mph hard to get the casing above 145f. No idea about a Vanagon's alternator but expect these AGMS when new healthy and depleted to demand 1/3 to 1/2 more amperage at the same state of charge at the same voltage, for longer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

I installed my new 96R-600 last Friday. Initial impressions were good, it fit easily in the battery box, the handle on top was much appreciated compared to the Interstate batteries I've used in the past, and the posts work with the stock battery cables. Cold and hot start performance when new seem good. I went this route so that my PC1200 under the drivers seat and the primary battery have similar charging needs when connected by the Yandina.

I'll try to remember to post impressions in a couple of months, particularly once it gets cold. The Syncro is my daily driver and I never use a charger so it will be interesting to see how the AGM primary battery does in day-to-day service. I don't have a volt meter though so impressions will be just that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Odyssey Starting Battery Reply with quote

would any of these be good for an AUX battery under the drivers seat with minimal use of a weekender?
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