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terenzio
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 Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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| babysnakes wrote: |
| If you were to get a water cooled with a shot engine you could always go Suby. The plumbing and radiator are already there. |
Didn't know...now I will research on the Subaru engine. Very interesting. What are the advantages of putting a Subaru engine rather than the 1.8L VW one? And what model engine are you referring to? |
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terenzio
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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| babysnakes wrote: |
| If you were to get a water cooled with a shot engine you could always go Suby. The plumbing and radiator are already there. |
Didn't know...now I will research on the Subaru engine. Very interesting. What are the advantages of putting a Subaru engine rather than the 1.8L VW one? And what model engine are you referring to? |
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babysnakes
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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The Suby uses a flat four configuration. I AM NO EXPERT but engines in a 2.0-2.5 configuration that are 15-25 years old seem to be used often. New short blocks are affordable and rebuilt heads are to be had too.
I have been intrigued by the Suby swaps for some time now. |
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tommu
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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If you can source a good one at a good price from family in Mexico - then you have a leg up. Much more risk involved if you don't know the country or don't have any trusted contacts there.
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pittwagen
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Location: North of the 49th parallel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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If I already had a water cooled Mexican bus I would use the Mk 3 Golf ABA 2.0 block and a 1.8 Mk1 GTI head (big valves) with the Mk1 GTI CIS mechanical fuel injection. Pretty much bulletproof.
Here is another thought for which I do not have a definitive answer. The 1.8 Mexican engine uses a fuel injection system very similar to the one we here in Canada had on the 93-95 Mk3 Golf 1.8 standard model. It was basically a throttle body injection system. Not as reliable as the CIS from my personal experience. I don't believe the USA ever got the 1.8 in the Mk3 Golf.
Could the ABA 2.0 block sit under the Mexican head with the stock FI system? I do not know if they would bolt up or if the Mexican FI system would work on the Mk1 GTI head. Could that single injector be tuned for the larger engine? I stlll like the CIS system. It was totally reliable for me in over 500,000 kilometers.
Might be a question to pose over on the VW Vortex site. |
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pittwagen
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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| As an addendum to my post the fellow to ask is Antonio Trejo in Mexico City. He will know the answer(s) as to the interchangeability of the various head/block/ FI system combos for the water cooled bus. |
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Ohio_Style
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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| pittwagen wrote: |
with the Mk1 GTI CIS mechanical fuel injection. Pretty much bulletproof.
Might be a question to pose over on the VW Vortex site. |
have you priced out a working CIS system? the parts are just not out there like they were. besides...modern FI is way more pleasurable to drive. you can buy used CIS stuff cheap...85% of it will be junk by now
we're in what...2020 now? why would you do a swap an go backwards on the technology?
I cut my teeth on CIS systems, so I know them very well. I ripped all that stuff out of my rabbit truck...it's now a 1.8t. OBD2 is a beautiful thing.
I would put a carburetor on something before I used CIS.
go over to vortex, the mk1-mk2 forums....it's DEAD over there. not slow...DEAD. you can post and come back a week later and you're 5 posts down on the first page kind of dead.
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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terenzio
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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| babysnakes wrote: |
| If you were to get a water cooled with a shot engine you could always go Suby. The plumbing and radiator are already there. |
Wow. Didn't know about the Subaru option. Will do some research! Thanks! |
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terenzio
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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| tommu wrote: |
| If you can source a good one at a good price from family in Mexico - then you have a leg up. Much more risk involved if you don't know the country or don't have any trusted contacts there. |
Infact I am fortunate enough to have family there and I found 2001 water cooled buses for around $2000 CAD. Seems a good starting point leave some space for improvements or repairs. |
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terenzio
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Air cooled or water cooled bay |
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Does anyone know where I can find the manuals for the mexican watercooled bay?
I've searched in the forum but had no luck.
Thanks in advance! |
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