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donmurray Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2008 Posts: 841 Location: Frisco Texas
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen some Jaycee tubes with little sharp protruding tangs that the O-rings will have to slide over, and probably get nicked causing an O-ring leak. Can't imagine what caused these, but it looked like something sharp was pushed down the tube. If you use the Jaycee spring loaded tubes, check the inside of the tube where the O-rings will slide down. I removed the tangs with some 320 grit paper wrapped aroung a tooth brush handle.
As someone else stated, they may also need to be shortened if it looks like the case side seal will get squished out. The only problem is how much to shorten. Too much, it won't seal, and you ruined a set. Jaycee needs to publish some instructions on installing these, and include some length requirements.
Jaycee does have 3 different lengths of the longer, head side, tube available. These are 5", 5.5", 6", so if you have a long tube in a narrow motor, it may be very hard to install. This may explain why some find the install easy, if they have a wide motor and a shorter tube, but in that case the lower spring pressure may not make the end seals seat well.
I made an installation aid out of a 2" piece of plastic hose, a hose clamp, and 2 small corner braces from Lowes. The plastic hose is split to go around the longer tube and clamped in place by the hose clamp. The two small corner braces go under the clamp and stick down so you can get your thumbs on them. The top/upper part of the hose has to be cut so it does not contact the head fins or deflector plate. The purpose of the hose is to keep the hose clamp & corner braces from scratching the tube. _________________ 74 Ghia, with 2110 engine
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56Speedster Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2009 Posts: 66 Location: UFO Capital
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:34 am Post subject: |
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I've been running the Jaycee tubes for over a year now and have not had 1 drip. If there's a drip of anything in the garage, my wife will let me know about it so I'm somewhat anal about having a leak-free engine which really isn't difficult. |
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pharos Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 309 Location: Egypt
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:39 am Post subject: |
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vince1 wrote: |
Just made my own pushrods tubes
3 o rings like the heads up performance ones, tight adjustement beetween the male and female tube, windage style, and a big end like the CB ones, will use CB seals. Also made a Tool to install them beacause Jaycee and consors are a pain to install on short engines when the heads are on.
They are going to be anodized and after I'll test them on my engine, my Scat gold one aren't dry.
Windage end
Big end
Tool to install them...
Hope they'll work good, I'm not going to make them but if you want the cads files (SWorks) I can send them. |
Hi,
Well done, please share with me the cad files of it.
Thanks in advance _________________ http://www.facebook.com/groups/vwbug/ |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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be nice to make a leaver operated compressor for these.
my empi jcee knock off tubed after almost 8000 still didnt leek any when I sold the car, but it did take some work before they were ready to use.I hope they have that figured by now...but saddely I have 2 more sets I bought at the same time for my other 2 engines....I may just put a set of scat big mouths on one motor since I have them too and never had any issue with them either.although they are a soft aluminum. |
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Stripped66 Samba Member
Joined: May 31, 2005 Posts: 3470 Location: Charleston, SC
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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Those are just a smaller-diameter version of Pauter's pushrod tubes. And, those will leak, too. _________________
66brm wrote: |
Bodacious wrote: |
Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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Dan Ruddock Samba Member
Joined: October 25, 2012 Posts: 3594 Location: Sarasota, in my adopted state of Florida
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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Stripped66 wrote: |
Those are just a smaller-diameter version of Pauter's pushrod tubes. And, those will leak, too. |
Yes, pushrod clearance is very important to me as I sell and use 7/16 pushrods. The Jaycee's clear ok. Good to know. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2015 Posts: 719 Location: Rialto. CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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A guy here on thesamba. User name syngear..use to sell and make a one piece spring loaded pushrod tubes I heard those where great but I look him up and he no longer sells them his adds are off ...i wanted to buy some too...i hope he resell them..👇
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2190857 |
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4343 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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Fast Fab supposedly had the best inner machining process, which is the important area. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3552 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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I am using the Fast Fab versions...nice clean inside |
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andreas5bmw Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2004 Posts: 63
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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Jaycee pushrod tubes are the best,,,,never had any problems,,,,,and one thing everyone forgot is that Jaycee is the original on these pushrod tubes,,,,everyone else copied Jaycee design because they can not think out of the box,,,,lol |
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sgmalt46 Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2005 Posts: 1296 Location: south san francisco
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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he sells them on eBay . user handle is syngear1. I have a set .I haven't installed them yet so I can't report how they are. but is a brilliant idea! one piece! no extra places they can leak from. I will report back. his website is syngear.co.uk
he makes all kinds of different things that is the only auto part he makes? kind of strange.
Steve _________________ 55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4343 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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andreas5bmw wrote: |
Jaycee pushrod tubes are the best,,,,never had any problems,,,,,and one thing everyone forgot is that Jaycee is the original on these pushrod tubes,,,,everyone else copied Jaycee design because they can not think out of the box,,,,lol |
Oh yeah? Jaycee insides: half had heavy scarring. Spoke with others that confirmed the same. Prior to EMPI takeover.
_________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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vince1 Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Burgundy, France
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:57 am Post subject: |
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pharos wrote: |
vince1 wrote: |
Just made my own pushrods tubes
3 o rings like the heads up performance ones, tight adjustement beetween the male and female tube, windage style, and a big end like the CB ones, will use CB seals. Also made a Tool to install them beacause Jaycee and consors are a pain to install on short engines when the heads are on.
They are going to be anodized and after I'll test them on my engine, my Scat gold one aren't dry.
Windage end
Big end
Tool to install them...
Hope they'll work good, I'm not going to make them but if you want the cads files (SWorks) I can send them. |
Hi,
Well done, please share with me the cad files of it.
Thanks in advance |
I redesigned those last winter for more inside clearance, now 20 mm case side and 22 mm head side.
I don't make business so I'm happy to share the cad files here :
https://grabcad.com/library/vw-type-1-pushrod-tubes-1
Vince _________________ my French blog https://vwpanelvan.wordpress.com/
Click here for my full pix detailed 2165 engine build with beehive valvetrain.
Sorry for my poor English, I'm a French guy ... |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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bugguy1967 wrote: |
andreas5bmw wrote: |
Jaycee pushrod tubes are the best,,,,never had any problems,,,,,and one thing everyone forgot is that Jaycee is the original on these pushrod tubes,,,,everyone else copied Jaycee design because they can not think out of the box,,,,lol |
Oh yeah? Jaycee insides: half had heavy scarring. Spoke with others that confirmed the same. Prior to EMPI takeover.
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I wonder if they were repackaged empi tubes....like so many other companies do with "their products" |
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pharos Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 309 Location: Egypt
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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vince1 wrote: |
pharos wrote: |
vince1 wrote: |
Just made my own pushrods tubes
3 o rings like the heads up performance ones, tight adjustement beetween the male and female tube, windage style, and a big end like the CB ones, will use CB seals. Also made a Tool to install them beacause Jaycee and consors are a pain to install on short engines when the heads are on.
They are going to be anodized and after I'll test them on my engine, my Scat gold one aren't dry.
Windage end
Big end
Tool to install them...
Hope they'll work good, I'm not going to make them but if you want the cads files (SWorks) I can send them. |
Hi,
Well done, please share with me the cad files of it.
Thanks in advance |
I redesigned those last winter for more inside clearance, now 20 mm case side and 22 mm head side.
I don't make business so I'm happy to share the cad files here :
https://grabcad.com/library/vw-type-1-pushrod-tubes-1
Vince |
Thank you very much for your contribution and I hope that many others do the same.
before you post your new design I did this sample yesterday
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3446 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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Somebody should be making and selling those |
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pharos Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 309 Location: Egypt
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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chrisflstf wrote: |
Somebody should be making and selling those |
I'll do it in Egypt with a reasonable price _________________ http://www.facebook.com/groups/vwbug/ |
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vince1 Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Burgundy, France
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3446 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Are Jaycee pushrod tubes still the best? |
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What material is used for the tubes, also is the spring and orings, off the shelf parts? |
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