What should I pay for this? Is it a Westfalia?

[41Deluxe]

I’m looking to buy this from a family member so I need help coming up with a fair price to offer. It belonged to my mom’s cousin and has been parked indoors for around 30 years. I’m trying to get more info and more pics but right now these pictures are all I know.
What should I offer for this project in pieces?
Can anyone tell me anything about it from the pics?

Thank you!

[KentABQ]

Is it a Westfalia? Probably. The jalousie window looks like it. But get a pic of the area of the lower part of the body just between the passenger's front door and the slider. That will have an official Westfalia plaque stating the type it is.

But.... WOW.... you have your work cut out for you with the engine in parts like that for 30 years. The good part is the covered area hopefully kept most of the rust away, but rodents may have made themselves at home in many many many little places. They can mess up wiring, and make a horrendous smell that may be with you for years.

If it were me and I wanted a hightop, I'd say I'd pay between $4k and $5k. And that's being generous due to it being a relative's vehicle. And I'd budget $10k to get the engine put together and running well.

I'm looking forward to hearing others opinions.

Edit: I see two engine cases there??
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[41Deluxe]

Yes there are 2 engines. I guess the original was bad so he started taking it apart to replace it but never finished.

[Wildthings]

It is obviously going to need to be towed, so that's a deduction. And without it running you can't easily check the condition the transmission so that's another deduction and you can't know much about the brakes without tearing them apart. The tires may not last for a tow across town.

Who knows what you have in the way of good engine parts, it looks like they were buying parts from all around at one point but never dug into them to see what had value.

Anything that is rubber is going to need to be replaced even if it looks just fine. Tires, brake hoses, rubber fuel lines, maybe window seals.

It took me $4000 to get my old '74 road worthy 30+ years ago, the same work might well cost 3 or 4 times that today, so be warned and pay accordingly.

[Abscate]

Family member should be happy at 5k

You do some rust assessment before dive in
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[busdaddy]

Looks somewhat solid from here, but without more pics (interior too) I can't even begin to guess. Could be Westfalia, what's the first 3 numbers of the VIN? (I'm guessing the third number is a 4 or 5). A pic of the painted plate on the front face of the bulkhead behind the LF seat would clear things up too.

Whatever it turns out to be having sat that long it's going to require some serious bucks to bring back to road ready, maybe big engine work too, any receipts showing what was done long ago?
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[Angus II]

Hello,
How about "Free" too an extended family member....it will be in the family.
Or, $500.00 for the heck of it?(feel good money).
Doesn't look like anyone else in the family has been interested into the project. It's just taking up space

[skills@eurocarsplus]

looks ok from here rust wise. IF you want a high top and IF it's clean it's a 3,500 bus imho. high tops aren't very desirable, or not as desirable as a westy...that looks safare to me. if it were a poptop and clean i'd say 4-4500 would be fair.

going over the brakes and tires will set you back an ez 800-1k using quality parts. the engine is going to be the real killer. expect upward of 4-6k for a quality engine.
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[my59]

Never having had a hightop, I can't imagine they are better in a crosswind.
Family vehicle purchase, I get. When my dad and aunts were settling my grandfather's estate, all the grandchildren were looking for who was getting the '59 bug. They had a local vw shop settle value. Suddenly vast silence as to who wanted it.
I bought it from the estate. Figured my dad was getting 1/3 of the payment, and paid. He was about broke at the time. The car was running, titled, and had valid plates with 6 mos of insurance on it.
I drove it home to NYC from Annapolis MD
I'd look at prices for projects, and align the offer with that. Transport is your sunk cost.
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[ImAddicted]

Yeh those beached whales don’t seem to be as popular, though I can see the beauty of not having to pop the top to camp and more usable storage up top. Body - from limited pic - looks ok, like the luggage rack but would hate to try to fit in a garage with it on:). Engine condition will be the big ?, so price it as it is definitely junk and be happy if any of it can be reused. Exchanger in pic looks decent, I see a gas heater there too, though looks like someone might have monkeyed with it So figure parts might be missing. Without interior & underside pics, no idea of the transmission condition, figure all new rubber, brakes, $800-1000 in tires, extraction & tow (I’d be shocked if it rolls without some BFH persuasion to the drums, especially if the e-brake is on being up on ramps) unless you have a good tow vehicle, and all the little stuff that adds up stupid fast, I’d be offering $2500.
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[41Deluxe]

More pictures that I just got. My photographer also says he can’t find any rust but he can’t get a good look at the passenger side because it’s close up to the wall.

[skills@eurocarsplus]

well, it's only worth what you're willing to pay. I guess you have to ask yourself how bad do you want it, and how much are you willing to put into it after the fact.

no matter what you grab it for, you'll drop an ez 5-7k to bring it back to road worthy...not perfect...road worthy and that is providing that there is enough decent parts to build an engine from that pile behind the bus.

this is what's for sale here on TS

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php...ton=Search

granted you have to sort thru some b/s but it will give you an idea of what's out there.
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[ivwshane]

Those interior pics look really good to me paint wise and other than the dash being destroyed by two large holes, the plastic and rubber look really good. The more pics the better though.
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[Type2_Personality]

I think that is an Adventure Camper. The floor plans they offered had many options for custom ordering. I went through their factory in the San Fernando Valley when I ordered my 1971 to get what I wanted. It was a great experience with them and they did a real nice job on my conversion.
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[busdaddy]

Agreed, the rear bed has an AW vibe, definitely not any sort of Westfalia.
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[scubasteve321]

I'd wager adventure camper too; particularly with the table hold slide rail on the passenger side underneath the glovebox

Original Adventure Wagon Set Up

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=574217&start=0

Info about Adventure Wagon

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I scored a good chunk of said interior off ebay for a screaming deal and thus came upon the preceding information upon research
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[Clatter]

Wouldn't pay more that 6-800 bucks for something like that.
You might find some sucker to give $1500 on Craigslist or something.

If your relatives sell it to you for $2500 they run the risk of you hating them forever.
But, hey, if they're the type of that try and milk you for top dollar,
then it's probably a good thing you won't be on speaking terms.

See if you can't get it for free with the promise you'll get it running and driving and bring it by to show off.
Maybe let them borrow it for camping one day..
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