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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: ‘60 Kombi Intro - The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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Finally got around to investigating my axle leaks.
Ordered new backing plates from CIP1. (Awesome pieces,btw!). New seal kits come tomorrow, so took some time today to start pulling things apart to investigate the source of the leaks.
Apparently when I assembled everything last time, the big seal did not slide over/around the big spacer, but instead just kind of crushed against it and mangled. Pretty easy to see why my leak was so readily apparent.. Next time I assemble, I’ll lube up both the seal and the spacer. Then will insert the spacer into the big blue seal before sliding the whole bearing cap assembly back onto the axle and torquing down.
Haven’t disassembled the other side yet, but I’m expecting to see a similar situation on that side as well.
Next update next weekend after we have the time to try it all again. Maybe the next update will include a first real drive! _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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1970PAKombi Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2019 Posts: 264 Location: Denver, PA
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:45 am Post subject: Re: ‘60 Kombi Intro - The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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This is an incredible story - I hope you get it up to Becky and take pictures/a video for us. Isn't it crazy to think that after all of the various owners, nobody touched the original paint? What a story and congratulations |
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Miskeroo Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2017 Posts: 95 Location: Langley
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:54 am Post subject: Re: ‘60 Kombi Intro - The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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The color scheme on your bus sure catches the eye, I love it.
Looking forward to seeing it cleaned up once you have the mechanics sorted |
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AS350driver Samba Member
Joined: April 17, 2016 Posts: 1340 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: ‘60 Kombi Intro - The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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^^^^^^^^
Yes, what he said. |
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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Got time to pull the passenger side bearing cap today, and found similar damage to the blue seal as I expected.
Carefully reassembled both sides, sliding the bearing cap into place with the large spacer already inserted into the blue seal.
Things got weird when we went to put the drums back on. Before we got even close to torque specs on the passenger side, the drum was tightening against the new backing plate to the point where it wouldn’t turn. Driver’s side went on fine. Passenger side drum appears to be a relatively recent replacement by the P.O., while the driver’s side is clearly older.
Took some measurements to compare the two. It seems the “height” of the newer passenger side drum is about 2mm taller than the older driver’s side drum.
I think this certainly explains why the taller drum is tightening against the backing plate, but what are my options? Can I get the “snout” or rim of the drum machined down a couple of mm? The other option that kinda makes sense to me is a couple of machine spacers on the axle first, then the drum. These machine spacers are the exact same inner/outer diameter of the small washer that goes on just befor the small rubber o-ring. 2mm worth would give me the clearance I need to keep the drum off the backing plate. Of course I could just order a new drum, but what if the next one is off by the same couple of mm?
Thoughts/suggestions please! Would love to finally take this thing for a ride! _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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That measurement is not going to make any difference.
What is probably causing the problem is the snout INSIDE the drum is too short. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
That measurement is not going to make any difference.
What is probably causing the problem is the snout INSIDE the drum is too short. |
Thanks for the response!
Took me a minute to visualize what you were referring to, but it does make sense. It seems my spacer option would fix that? I’ve tried to come up with a reason not too, but can’t think of a reason not to try it. We’re only talking a couple of mm, and I don’t think it changes anything in the sense of how everything is torqued down...does it?
Anyone ever had to address this before? _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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First measure the differences between the two drums. Then go from there. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
First measure the differences between the two drums. Then go from there. |
As in, from the inside of the snout to the lip of the drum? _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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EJZero1 wrote: |
Eric&Barb wrote: |
First measure the differences between the two drums. Then go from there. |
As in, from the inside of the snout to the lip of the drum? |
Exactly. Need to verify, not guess. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
EJZero1 wrote: |
Eric&Barb wrote: |
First measure the differences between the two drums. Then go from there. |
As in, from the inside of the snout to the lip of the drum? |
Exactly. Need to verify, not guess. |
Using a micrometer, the distance from the inside end of the snout to the outer edge of the drum is about 2.25 mm longer on the suspect passenger side drum than the driver’s side. Splines in both drums are exact same length.
Thanks again for your help! _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Get a hardened steel washer to shim that. A softer steel washer will just end up getting squeezed thinner and thinner. Which in turn will result in the axle nut getting loose..... _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:09 am Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Get a hardened steel washer to shim that. A softer steel washer will just end up getting squeezed thinner and thinner. Which in turn will result in the axle nut getting loose..... |
Sounds good, thanks!
Now the search is on for a hardened shim/washer that fits over the axle and inside the hole of the bearing cap... _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:22 am Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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If you can find one that has the correct size ID hole in it, then the outer diameter edge can be ground down. Just do not over heat the steel when grinding, that will take out the hardness. Have a cup of water nearby to dip it into real often.
If you can find one with OD being correct, but ID too small, someone can lathe it easily open. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:24 am Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Well, time for a long overdue update.
After trying to chase down a handful of electrical gremlins, like why the generator charges sometimes/sometimes not, and how I usually have to hold the key in the “start” position for 2-3 seconds before the starter gets the signal, I decided it was time to bite the bullet and do a complete harness replacement.
Got the complete harness from WW, and I’m pretty impressed with the product and the manual that came with it. Spent quite a bit of time going over the manual while following along on the harness, and it all seems to make sense. I’m sure there will be a hiccup or three, but I rewired a Porsche 944 Turbo a couple of years back, so I’m thinking I’ll be able to figure it out.
Will be a bit before I get to this point, but here’s my only head scratcher so far. Per the manual, 2 headlight wires are supposed to feed into one end of this junction block. I’m 100% confident I’ve got the right wires and the right junction block, and there’s no way I can see both wires fitting.
I’m thinking I securely splice the two wires into one, then insert into the junction block. Thoughts?
Done some searching here and found some great threads on those that have already tackled this project, so armed with that help and hours of additional preparatory reading, today’s the day!
Stay tuned! _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:17 am Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Our SEC1959 built 1960 model walk thru panel camper conversion has just the two wires into the one side of the connector. Tis just in front of the looped red wire on the right:
Do you have the original connector?
BTW do not throw the old wiring away. Good to have that for repairs later, or add in things like gauges. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:27 am Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” Brake Project Issue |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
Our SEC1959 built 1960 model walk thru panel camper conversion has just the two wires into the one side of the connector. Tis just in front of the looped red wire on the right:
Do you have the original connector?
BTW do not throw the old wiring away. Good to have that for repairs later, or add in things like gauges. |
The original connector is indeed still there, just visible here Left of the signal light junction box my daughter is disconnecting, behind other wires. Will see if it’s salvageable when I get to that point. Will be pulling the fuse panel and cleaning it up as well.
Just about to pull the old harness. Plan is to attach fish tape to the front and pull it out the rear. Seems the wires up front would be easier to pull through versus the other way around.
Back to work! _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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EJZero1 Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” : Full Harness Replacement |
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^Thanks! I’ve read both of those threads/articles, and they’re on my list.
Meanwhile, attached the fish tape to the harness up front and pulled he harness out from the rear. Pulled straight out from the frame rail exit, and simply cut the wires for the tail lights and engine compartment prior to pulling.
Then did some taping on the new harness to minimize “catch points” during the pull. Pulling the new harness took all of 10 minutes. Took a bit of time to fish the tail light wiring up through the hole, but not a big deal at all.
Will continue the job tomorrow, to include headlight and instrument harness replacements. Will probably do the dome light harness as well, especially since I got a new switch.
Got the fuse box cleaned up pretty good with some naval jelly and a stiff brush. Soldering next.
Each step brings me closer to getting it back on the road where it belongs! Can’t wait! _________________ ‘60 Kombi, The “Bob Dowell Van” |
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ToolBox Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: Detroit, where they don't jack parts off my ride in the parking lot of the 7-11
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:53 am Post subject: Re: The “Bob Dowell Van” : Full Harness Replacement |
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EJZero1 wrote: |
^Thanks! I’ve read both of those threads/articles, and they’re on my list.
Meanwhile, attached the fish tape to the harness up front and pulled he harness out from the rear. Pulled straight out from the frame rail exit, and simply cut the wires for the tail lights and engine compartment prior to pulling.
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I'd buy you a case of beer or something and postage for your old harness. |
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