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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:34 pm    Post subject: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

Hi folks,

Just took off a woodboard which was covering the floor of my recently purchased VW bus, and it doesn't look too too good.
There're some holes, some surface rust, and rust that became a hole. Any suggestions on tackling this or how bad is it?

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

alexbeatle wrote:
Hi folks,

Just took off a woodboard which was covering the floor of my recently purchased VW bus, and it doesn't look too too good.
There're some holes, some surface rust, and rust that became a hole. Any suggestions on tackling this or how bad is it?

Thanks in advance.
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Paint with POR15 and drive/enjoy it. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

It depends on what your goals are for the bus. If there were just a few areas that were rusted through, I would weld in patch panels and wire wheel the rest, treat with naval jelly and the rust paint of your choice.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

wagohn wrote:
alexbeatle wrote:
Hi folks,

Just took off a woodboard which was covering the floor of my recently purchased VW bus, and it doesn't look too too good.
There're some holes, some surface rust, and rust that became a hole. Any suggestions on tackling this or how bad is it?

Thanks in advance.
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Paint with POR15 and drive/enjoy it. Smile


Isn't POR15 rust preventative, not for treating the existing? 🤔
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

orwell84 wrote:
It depends on what your goals are for the bus. If there were just a few areas that were rusted through, I would weld in patch panels and wire wheel the rest, treat with naval jelly and the rust paint of your choice.


This is a camper bus, so planning to use it as such, i.e. not just for the casual city, flat road driving.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:22 am    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

If you have to ask.....

Treat and paint, install gear, and go camping.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:03 am    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

As for how bad it is... doesn't look too bad to me.

Look at some photos in the gallery, some guys can put a basketball through their floor when they bought their bus.

Everybody's different--- I like to wire wheel everything, wire wheel on a hand drill. Even dig a good screwdriver in to the rust to try to scrape it all.

Then I like the brush-on rust converter. Even Wal-Mart sells it. After that use a good brush-on rustoleum.

As for holes, welded patches are good if you have the capability. If not, screwed in covering patches are ok. I actually like screwed in things rather than pop rivets because you can remove the patch to retreat if needed. I've even used nuts and bolts with big washers to fill in holes.

If its not structural, its just the floor. Things don't always have to be perfect.

As others said, patch it up and get camping. Cool

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:45 am    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

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If you have to ask.....

Treat and paint, install gear, and go camping.

So NOW is the time for that Rustoleum?....... Wink Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

Laughing

this is a rusted floor

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

So using a wireblush I was able to get rid of the loose rust parts and got some portions to shine. But some, in the centre of the rust sports remain black. Am I not done brushing or this is as far as it goes?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

Sounds like it's ready for some Ospho, Rust mort or phosphoric acid. Once that's had a day to react and is rinsed off move on with the Rustoleum.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

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Sounds like it's ready for some Ospho, Rust mort or phosphoric acid. Once that's had a day to react and is rinsed off move on with the Rustoleum.


You could keep going with repeated wire brushing and application of ospho or whatever to get the metal more shiny but there isn't much point. The only way to get all the rust out of pitted areas is to sandblast. I used the method BusDaddy described on parts of my cab floor and it has held up well for the last 7 years. I found places on one of the doors I had done like this 25 years ago and it was still holding up.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

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So using a wireblush I was able to get rid of the loose rust parts and got some portions to shine. But some, in the centre of the rust sports remain black. Am I not done brushing or this is as far as it goes?

This is what I meant...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

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Maybe I'm a noobie at this, but the more I brush off, the worse it looks. Or is it about the time to apply POR15?

Looking into investing into sanbluster
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

Howโ€™s it look from the bottom?

Floors in both buses looked similar to yours. I patched and patched and then Masterseries metal prep (phosphoric) and Masterseries silver. Then paint. All coatings were applied within a 24 hr period to take advantage of the chemical bond.

I really feel confident that I have stemmed the rust forever if I take care of it. Masterseries is a hell of product.

Looks like you have a date with a MIG. I used metal from other VW vehicles. Sandblasting takes a whole new skill set and youโ€™ll never get all the sand out.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

Lil Lulu wrote:
Howโ€™s it look from the bottom?

Floors in both buses looked similar to yours. I patched and patched and then Masterseries metal prep (phosphoric) and Masterseries silver. Then paint. All coatings were applied within a 24 hr period to take advantage of the chemical bond.

I really feel confident that I have stemmed the rust forever if I take care of it. Masterseries is a hell of product.

Looks like you have a date with a MIG. I used metal from other VW vehicles. Sandblasting takes a whole new skill set and youโ€™ll never get all the sand out.


Looks like Masterseries are much better products than POR15 and Rust-Oleum! Have you tried their pit filler? Thinking of using it to seal rusted through and other unwanted holes.
https://nomorerust.com/store/rust-stop-paints/13-mastercoat-extreme-rust-sealer-pit-filler.html
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

alexbeatle wrote:
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Maybe I'm a noobie at this, but the more I brush off, the worse it looks. Or is it about the time to apply POR15?

Looking into investing into sanbluster


And itโ€™s still 5x worse than it looks

You are at the decision tree of either of welding new metal or POR

One could say the choice is POR or poor.

Choose POR
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

it's 'cute' what you california guys think is 'rust'. Razz

really frikkin cute.. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

When I did my cab floor, I I had to patch a small section. For the rest, I filled small holes with MiG welding and ground them down. I also added metal with welding to deeply pitted areas but it requires a light touch. I didnโ€™t sandblast because I was sick of getting sand out of my bus. Master series will prevent the pitted areas from rusting just as well without sandblasting.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Rusted floor. How bad is it? Reply with quote

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it's 'cute' what you california guys think is 'rust'. Razz

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