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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

I worked for a guy who was unable to father kids. Mind you, he and his wife were turned down from adopting cats from a shelter after they were interviewed by the shelter.
They later flew to Russia and bought 2 orphans. Both came with vitamin deficiencies and one had undisclosed fetal alcohol syndrome. Their home life was a shitshow of yelling and constant phone calls to his office. One of the kids had a phase where he liked to set fires in the basement of their house. (Being the outstanding employee I was, I had talking heads burning down the house cued up on the office stereo and played it every time he set foot in the office for the next 6 months) and the real shitty part was the daughter was date raped at 16 and soon disappeared into rehab.

Last I knew, the son finished college, the daughter was going to college in Florida, and the parents have kept doing what parents are supposed to do. They did their best with the tools they had.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

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the parents have kept doing what parents are supposed to do..


change the locks and move? holy shit Shocked

no one knows what they would do in that situation, but I have watched my alcoholic aunt tear our family apart, then hers, and try to tear her kids families apart.

she is now all alone by herself. none of us have any contact with her anymore. crazy shit...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

when you adopt in the uk you get a health/development report on the child so that you have the heads up of any likely problems past/future. don't they do that in the states?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

As I said before, I've been a foster parent for 7 years. My wife was also licensed on her own for a while before we were engaged. She volunteered for a mentoring program for foster teens I helped start and we met at a fundraiser dinner for a summer camp program for foster kids. So it's safe to say caring for foster kids is something that we both find very important. We're Christians and we feel that doing this is a way for us to live out our faith.

It's hard to say for sure why the girl ran; reading minds is against the rules at our house! I can say I believe we had a pretty good relationship with her; at 10 months long we were her longest placement. Honestly, I think the reason she ran was because of the boy she ran with. She'd ran from her previous placement (with her grandma) about a year ago, and hid out with him that time too. I guess he convinced her that it would be a good idea.

We do have a baby on the way, actually! Due October 26th.

This kiddo is a good kid. My parents love him, we love him, and he loves us. He does occasionally have a hard day (as we all do) but overall he does very well. Honestly, I think I would be pretty surprised if my parents didn't end up adopting him. I think the main thing would be if they decided they were too old to keep up with him. (They do have some general health issues, especially my dad.) He has been adamant for some time tat he would like to be adopted by them or otherwise stay in the family.

We did have a much more productive conversation the other day. I think some of it was miscommunication that first night-we're basically on the same page that we need to keep thinking about and praying about what we might do if my parents decided they couldn't keep him.

In reality, there are still multiple legal things that need to happen before he is even up for adoption so it isn't like there is an immediate decision that needs to be made.

I do appreciate the thoughts and perspectives offered here. Even though I didn't respond before, I had checked in and some of those thoughts were helpful in our conversation the other day.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

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I really hate these instructions. How can you accept directions from some unknown ape saying that you should save yourself first before saving your kid? There is a big assumption that you have time to do both. I would not follow these instructions for a second. I find them amoral, immoral and wrong.

OP, you'll do the right thing. Follow your gut.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

He is a well known Ape. Homo Sapiens, in fact. Nothing wrong with that.

Having experienced decompression, your time to hypoxia is shorter than most think - something like 15-30 seconds. You consume a lot of it just wondering what just happened, then you quickly lose faculties.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

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I really hate these instructions. How can you accept directions from some unknown ape saying that you should save yourself first before saving your kid? There is a big assumption that you have time to do both. I would not follow these instructions for a second. I find them amoral, immoral and wrong.

OP, you'll do the right thing. Follow your gut.


Who you callin' an unknown ape, beeyatch?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

thanks vwwestyman for reporting back. you kept quiet about the baby which is another pressure point! glad to hear things are harmonious between you and your wife and that some positive input resulted from your posting on the samba.
keep talking, keep loving
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

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Xevin wrote:


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I really hate these instructions. How can you accept directions from some unknown ape saying that you should save yourself first before saving your kid? There is a big assumption that you have time to do both. I would not follow these instructions for a second. I find them amoral, immoral and wrong.

OP, you'll do the right thing. Follow your gut.


Who you callin' an unknown ape, beeyatch?


... Ahem... . Who... unknown... Carry on. In hindsight I should have used 'one' the impersonal pronoun rather than the generic 'you' to avoid agitating the tribe, my shrewdness failed me. 🦍 I am such a biiiiiatch.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

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I really hate these instructions. How can you accept directions from some unknown ape saying that you should save yourself first before saving your kid? There is a big assumption that you have time to do both. I would not follow these instructions for a second. I find them amoral, immoral and wrong.

OP, you'll do the right thing. Follow your gut.


Who you callin' an unknown ape, beeyatch?


... Ahem... . Who... unknown... Carry on. In hindsight I should have used 'one' the impersonal pronoun rather than the generic 'you' to avoid agitating the tribe, my shrewdness failed me. 🦍 I am such a biiiiiatch.


You used the term "Ape" as if that's a bad thing in the presence of an ape! Mad

For this, you should be cancelled, but because I am a compassionate Ape, I shall only sentence you to listen to my band in continual loop until you admit the error of your ways, Kamerad.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

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Xevin wrote:
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I really hate these instructions. How can you accept directions from some unknown ape saying that you should save yourself first before saving your kid? There is a big assumption that you have time to do both. I would not follow these instructions for a second. I find them amoral, immoral and wrong.

OP, you'll do the right thing. Follow your gut.


My friend, Dave and I (The OP) understand each other very well. Was your “Unknown, amoral, immoral and wrong Ape” response an insult towards me or the airline instructional graphic?

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Dave, steps 2 and 3 are crucial to helping others. You are a newlywed. Think of a properly fitting oxygen mask as you and your wife. You must fit together as one unit before you can start helping others. Focus on your oxygen mask being secure before you try and save other people. If you aren’t breathing because your mask is not secure. You will be in no shape to move on to step 4. So take care of yourself, focus on your relationship, and then save others. Hope that made sense. You a good dude Dave.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

Xevin wrote:
Volks Wagen wrote:
Xevin wrote:
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I really hate these instructions. How can you accept directions from some unknown ape saying that you should save yourself first before saving your kid? There is a big assumption that you have time to do both. I would not follow these instructions for a second. I find them amoral, immoral and wrong.

OP, you'll do the right thing. Follow your gut.


My friend, Dave and I (The OP) understand each other very well. Was your “Unknown, amoral, immoral and wrong Ape” response an insult towards me or the airline instructional graphic?

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Dave, steps 2 and 3 are crucial to helping others. You are a newlywed. Think of a properly fitting oxygen mask as you and your wife. You must fit together as one unit before you can start helping others. Focus on your oxygen mask being secure before you try and save other people. If you aren’t breathing because your mask is not secure. You will be in no shape to move on to step 4. So take care of yourself, focus on your relationship, and then save others. Hope that made sense. You a good dude Dave.


No! This is not supposed to insult any of you, just the graphic and the ape who tries to impose it on people flying... I was just blurting out my reaction to seeing it again. Anyway, looking at it, it just applies to women, so I can ignore it.

This is exactly how international incidents occur. I should be a diplomat so we can get to the end of the world a bit quicker.
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Xevin wrote:
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Xevin wrote:
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I really hate these instructions. How can you accept directions from some unknown ape saying that you should save yourself first before saving your kid? There is a big assumption that you have time to do both. I would not follow these instructions for a second. I find them amoral, immoral and wrong.

OP, you'll do the right thing. Follow your gut.


My friend, Dave and I (The OP) understand each other very well. Was your “Unknown, amoral, immoral and wrong Ape” response an insult towards me or the airline instructional graphic?

Xevin wrote:


Dave, steps 2 and 3 are crucial to helping others. You are a newlywed. Think of a properly fitting oxygen mask as you and your wife. You must fit together as one unit before you can start helping others. Focus on your oxygen mask being secure before you try and save other people. If you aren’t breathing because your mask is not secure. You will be in no shape to move on to step 4. So take care of yourself, focus on your relationship, and then save others. Hope that made sense. You a good dude Dave.


No! This is not supposed to insult any of you, just the graphic and the ape who tries to impose it on people flying... I was just blurting out my reaction to seeing it again. Anyway, looking at it, it just applies to women, so I can ignore it.

This is exactly how international incidents occur. I should be a diplomat so we can get to the end of the world a bit quicker.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

One - women do not like being called big fat mammals. And even worse if you said ape in heels. Laughing

In general, the rescuer never puts himself in danger. What the hell does it do good anybody if you the rescuer gets killed on first go around? So if you are a combat medic and you manage to have yourself killed before the jump coz you are stupid...really does not help the very people you are supposed to be taking care of.

Even EMS are taught not to proceed if it is too dangerous to go on. So a thug gets shot and bleeding to death...no EMS is gonna go in the middle of gunfire to save his pathetic ass. He is just gonna have to bleed to death. Laughing

If you are the rescuer -SAVE YOURSELF FIRST. SO YOU CAN SAVE OTHERS. The logic makes sense.

But I get it that when it is your child, it is natural you will do everything to help them first before yourself. It is probably instinctive to do so...parents will go to harms way to save their brood.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:16 am    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

guys! somehow I don't think the op was looking for advice on how to survive an airline emergency...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

Ha ha, no I wasn't looking for help in surviving an airline emergency! However, as a therapist, I have used that analogy multiple times with clients, and also in trainings I've done for others working in mental health and for foster parents.

It is not possible to take care of others if you aren't taking care of yourself-you can't help anyone if you're burnt out or dead. So I do appreciate the reminder for myself!

For me, the main discussion point/question was how does a couple "decide together" on something when one side is pretty well decided/willing to do the thing.

The kid in question was primarily context.
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Ha ha, no I wasn't looking for help in surviving an airline emergency! However, as a therapist, I have used that analogy multiple times with clients, and also in trainings I've done for others working in mental health and for foster parents.

It is not possible to take care of others if you aren't taking care of yourself-you can't help anyone if you're burnt out or dead. So I do appreciate the reminder for myself!

For me, the main discussion point/question was how does a couple "decide together" on something when one side is pretty well decided/willing to do the thing.

The kid in question was primarily context.


That's easy! Just remember that the two most important words in the English language are "yes, dear" and you'll be fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Need Perspective/marital advice, possible adoption? Reply with quote

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For me, the main discussion point/question was how does a couple "decide together" on something when one side is pretty well decided/willing to do the thing.

The kid in question was primarily context.


I'm of no help to you because of the importance and complexity of the situation. I've also given up trying to reason with people. It's usually some sort of failing in a person if they can't discuss, disagree and then compromise. That's where I'd start, is discuss. If that's a problem, then you'll know. At that point you'll have to pick one person over the other, because you'll never find happiness with both. For smaller things I ask for forgiveness, not permission. But your situation is not a small thing.
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