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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1219 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:50 pm Post subject: Pan off, Pan on? |
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The questions is what benefits are there when restoring a bug to doing it with the body off the pan?
About to embark on a restoration of a 64 sunroof. Not a concourse but the car has been with us since 64 and i want to do her right. Goal is stock, clean and reliable. Three is no rust in the car and no major body damage. Typical body work needed and a tired interior. Pan are in fine shape.
What are the Pro's and con's?
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scrivyscriv Samba Electrician
Joined: October 04, 2011 Posts: 2922 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Pan off, Pan on? |
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I can't think of a good reason to separate the body and pan if you don't plan on doing floor pan replacement or extensive paint work. Most of the reason for a pan-off is to replace the pans.
Suspension and drivetrain access is much easier with the body off. _________________ Robert in Memphis
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If you're ever in the Memphis area, you are welcome to stop by for advice and help. |
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pastellgreen Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2012 Posts: 1049 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Pan off, Pan on? |
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matthew henricks wrote: |
There is no rust in the car and no major body damage. Typical body work needed |
??? For me, typical body work was the replacement of the rusted areas, but if there is nor rust, what is typical?
The body off resto features also the possibillity of proper heater channel and napoleon head replacement, not only the work on the chassis itself. |
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7951 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:13 am Post subject: Re: Pan off, Pan on? |
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if it aint broke don't fix it
without seeing the car or assessing what is required it is hard to say pan off or on...
if there is a lot of fettling and overhauling of the trans, running gear etc planned then this will be easier pan off plus you can give the parts a good clean and paint.
be aware that pan off might involve the joys of seized/sheared bolts, stripped threads etc
there's also the 'it's only original once' factor - why not preserve it? _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect... |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1219 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Pan off, Pan on? |
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This is the bug. Only a few images handy. For sure it is not hammered or rusty. I painted it back in the late 80's. Since then spent half its time in storage.
The only area i can think of that may have suspect metal is the bottom of the A pillar at the pan as the sunroof models drained into that area.
Sounds like unless i have some pan work or want easy access to the drive train and suspension it really does not have any benefit if not doing a concourse type restoration.
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7951 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Pan off, Pan on? |
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I wouldn't touch that, just re-commission and maintain it...retrim inside if necessary. _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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Q-Dog Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2010 Posts: 8700 Location: Sunset, Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Pan off, Pan on? |
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I wouldn't go pan off unless I needed to replace the floor pans. From the photos, that car doesn't need much more than a little cleaning and some grease in the front end. _________________ Brian
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4095
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Pan off, Pan on? |
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You would be crazy to restore that car. Clean it and detail it and leave the patina. Address any rust to prevent it from getting worse and fix anything mechanically wrong with the car but it is perfect as it sits. Hard to find them in that condition these days. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Pan off, Pan on? |
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Those link pins look bone-dry and crispy. The king pin is likely dry too. I wouldn't defer that maintenance checkpoint any longer, that needs immediate attention. The rust dust is an indication that at least some degree of damage has already occurred, perhaps it's just from the shims chafing along, but man I'd yank that stuff apart and have a look. |
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