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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17122 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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Probably a dead end, but that's a pretty good size oil feed line for the turbo. Looks like number 4AN. If the pressure relief valve stuck, quite a bit of oil and pressure could have been forced to the turbo, possibly bypassing the seal and being carried to the intake.
Factory oil supply tube has a pretty small ID. That's probably not what happened though. _________________ ☮️ |
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valvecovergasket Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2018 Posts: 1491 Location: pnw
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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MarkWard wrote: |
Probably a dead end, but that's a pretty good size oil feed line for the turbo. Looks like number 4AN. If the pressure relief valve stuck, quite a bit of oil and pressure could have been forced to the turbo, possibly bypassing the seal and being carried to the intake.
Factory oil supply tube has a pretty small ID. That's probably not what happened though. |
the two times ive had inline vw pressure relief valves stick, both have resulted in all of the oil being emptied within a matter of seconds at the oil filter seal. not in vans, and neither were diesels, but that seemed to be the first place they pour out of seal-wise.
based on the sounds though it seems like the engine has internal damage now, either way. _________________ MegaSquirt resource - SpitfireEFI.com
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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I got too late of a start to the day today, but tomorrow I will reset the timing and dump the oil. Make sure I have 5 liters. I think, maybe, that the oil drain valve I put on didn't allow it to drain completely. It was either a 90° bend it the drain tube, or feeding the DT through the skid plate, above the level of the drain.
Tomorrow. _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50338
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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Team WorldTour wrote: |
I got too late of a start to the day today, but tomorrow I will reset the timing and dump the oil. Make sure I have 5 liters. I think, maybe, that the oil drain valve I put on didn't allow it to drain completely. It was either a 90° bend it the drain tube, or feeding the DT through the skid plate, above the level of the drain.
Tomorrow. |
What is your dipstick showing now, before the oil is dumped? |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9923 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:21 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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Are you using a stock diesel oil pan? The VW Vanagon Bentley says for the early diesel engine models 3.5 liters without filter change, 4.0 liters with filter change. What oil fill specs have you found for Syncro with JX?
Mark
Team WorldTour wrote: |
.....tomorrow I will reset the timing and dump the oil. Make sure I have 5 liters..... |
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leecat Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2012 Posts: 773 Location: Regina
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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Feel for you, Team Worldtour - hope it's not as serious as it looks. I dread this in my AHU, last fall took it for a test drive and suddenly the engine pitch changed while accelerating hard onto the highway and she laid down more smoke than a destroyer at Midway. I'm sure the people behind me thought James Bond was making a getaway in a VW Van.
Then she smoothed right out and not a hint of a problem since - scared me good tho.
Hoping you can solve things relatively easily. |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
Are you using a stock diesel oil pan? The VW Vanagon Bentley says for the early diesel engine models 3.5 liters without filter change, 4.0 liters with filter change. What oil fill specs have you found for Syncro with JX?
Mark
Team WorldTour wrote: |
.....tomorrow I will reset the timing and dump the oil. Make sure I have 5 liters..... |
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Hi Mark, yes, I am using the stock JX pan, but on AAZ motor.
Five liters is the full line on my 72cm dipstick.
@leecat- I can only hope that I am that lucky.
@wildthings- my driveway is on a steep angle, so any attempt at an accurate reading is impossible.
Tomorrow. I swear! _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9923 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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The AAZ block has a different dipstick hole and the factory JX dipstick doesn't match it.
When I do AAZ installations I add the desired quantity of oil and then mark the dipstick to match my desired oil min and max levels.
In my opinion 5 liters is too much for an AAZ with factory diesel van oil pan.
Mark
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Hi Mark, yes, I am using the stock JX pan, but on AAZ motor.
Five liters is the full line on my 72cm dipstick.
@leecat- I can only hope that I am that lucky.
@wildthings- my driveway is on a steep angle, so any attempt at an accurate reading is impossible.
Tomorrow. I swear! |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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I can measure it when I suck it out. Siphoning cold oil downhill shouldn't be too difficult... _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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westyventures Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2004 Posts: 2306 Location: Oregon Outback
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
Are you using a stock diesel oil pan? The VW Vanagon Bentley says for the early diesel engine models 3.5 liters without filter change, 4.0 liters with filter change. What oil fill specs have you found for Syncro with JX?
Mark
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IIRC Syncro diesels require 5 liters 5.5 qt. |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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So, my day is already pretty full.
Lost my job, wife had hand surgery, and I am scheduled for a procedure next week. What that means is, I alone am responsible for the daily operations in the house.
Also, I've ordered a 12v suction pump. It will be here Sat/ Mon. I will measure the oil when it gets pumped out.
As it stands, the van is ass-down in the sloping driveway, so the oil fill tube is the lowest point. Maximum oil recovery. I will update here as I can....
Thank you all so far for the advice and encouragement. _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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WV2ZZZ25ZFH094138(x)/ WV2YB0257LH057308(x)/ WV2ZZZ25ZLG113270/
"Where am I going? And what am I doing in this handbasket?" -Nicodemus Jordan
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 3028 Location: MD
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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Man, when it rains it pours. One day a time. Health > work > van. It can sit a bit. Take care of yourself and family.
Best of luck. _________________ '87 Syncro
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mikemtnbike Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2015 Posts: 2795 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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^^ great post, 4gears. I get myself all worked up about van issues and am really working on remembering it's just a thing, not going anywhere, and the rest of life- including self-care- is usually more important. I'm trying (not succeeding, trying) to only work on the van when it's what I want to do- in other words, when working on the van IS self-care.
Fingers crossed, TeamWolrldTour, and take care of yourself and your family first! _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL 2.1 AT Westfauxlia. "Frankie" Totaled https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=764510&highlight=carnage
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9923 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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The VW JX document sources I saw say 4.0 liters without filter, 4.5 liters with filter.
Has this changed since the early 90s?
Mark
westyventures wrote: |
IIRC Syncro diesels require 5 liters 5.5 qt. |
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westyventures Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2004 Posts: 2306 Location: Oregon Outback
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
The VW JX document sources I saw say 4.0 liters without filter, 4.5 liters with filter.
Has this changed since the early 90s?
Mark
westyventures wrote: |
IIRC Syncro diesels require 5 liters 5.5 qt. |
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In 2WD configuration the bottom of the pan is level or tilted back, in Syncro it tilts forward. At 4 liters it will suck air under braking or turning. I used that as an oil level test on long drives - braking or hard turns the gauge would bob low which indicated a quart low. |
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tjet Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 3533 Location: CA & NM
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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Team WorldTour wrote: |
So, my day is already pretty full.
Lost my job, wife had hand surgery, and I am scheduled for a procedure next week. What that means is, I alone am responsible for the daily operations in the house.
Also, I've ordered a 12v suction pump. It will be here Sat/ Mon. I will measure the oil when it gets pumped out.
As it stands, the van is ass-down in the sloping driveway, so the oil fill tube is the lowest point. Maximum oil recovery. I will update here as I can....
Thank you all so far for the advice and encouragement. |
I hear ya. I lost my airline job last month. I did find another job, and I start next week. I had to relocate to New Mexico. It's nice here
Anyhow, I hope you get it sorted out. I've decided to put an AHU in my 85 Vanagon, not my Syncro. I have a complete M-TDI, except it needs an new IP. My 02 Jetta TDI has over 400k miles on it. I'm hoping I will get similar reliability on my 85 M-TDI conversion.
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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So, slowly but surely, it is coming along. I received my 12v oil pump over the weekend, and proceeded to pump the oil pan out.
CAUTION: LOUD!
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The pump says to limit work to 30-minute intervals. I had to run three work-cycles to get the pan drained. I ended up with 7 quarts in my bucket (Towards the end, I dumped an extra liter in the engine, so I could visually verify the pan was empty). S0, in reality, I pumped SIX quarts out of the pan. Yeah.... I'm going to have to rethink this oil drain valve idea..... _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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?Waldo? Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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The JX pan has two oil drains - one at the front and one at the rear of the pan. I don't understand the need for the pump. |
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Team WorldTour Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 2426 Location: Der Vaterland
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:04 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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Syncro, with a skid plate. The front drain is the only accessable one. Ant it is pointed uphill... _________________ 1990 Feldjäger Syncro AAZ
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WV2ZZZ25ZFH094138(x)/ WV2YB0257LH057308(x)/ WV2ZZZ25ZLG113270/
"Where am I going? And what am I doing in this handbasket?" -Nicodemus Jordan
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westyventures Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2004 Posts: 2306 Location: Oregon Outback
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Well, Ain't That About A Kick In The Crotch..... |
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If the engine is installed correctly with Syncro TD bars, the front one will drain perfectly on level surfaces. |
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