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bbikbow Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:03 am Post subject: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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Hi all,
I'm planning to restore my 1972 1302 bug type 1, i would like to ask what are the differences between between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up), my main concern would be the body, fender, baggage, engine compartment, accessories. but would appreciate knowledge on the mechanical aspect.
I'm hopping some guidance from y'all masters |
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meranda Samba Member
Joined: August 09, 2015 Posts: 277 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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You are referring to the Superbug with coil spring front suspension? _________________ Currently filling the garage
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wimkever Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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See :
https://www.superbeetles.com/ _________________ a beetle is like a cocker spaniel, always funny but sometimes not listening |
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bbikbow Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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@Meranda yeah with the spring coil up front |
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kpf Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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The biggest difference is in the dashboard and windshield. The hood is shorter on the 73. The mounting of the strut to the spindle is different. The rear fenders got the the bigger tail light housings in 73. All of this is based on US-delivered cars. I’m not sure what happened in other parts of the world. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle |
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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Everything from the dash to the front bumper is different. _________________ Glenn
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GArBa Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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the whole roof panel is a different stamping front to back. besides the obvious difference at the windshield, the 1303 roof has a different arrangement of the fresh air inlet slots below the rear window. _________________ cars:
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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GArBa wrote: |
the 1303 roof has a different arrangement of the fresh air inlet slots below the rear window. |
Yes, the louvers are father apart and there is one less. _________________ Glenn
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nbvolks Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2020 Posts: 344 Location: MA
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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Glenn wrote: |
GArBa wrote: |
the 1303 roof has a different arrangement of the fresh air inlet slots below the rear window. |
Yes, the louvers are father apart and there is one less. |
Huh! Learn something new every day! I never knew or noticed that! |
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bilbo939 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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kpf wrote: |
The mounting of the strut to the spindle is different. |
It's a bit more complicated than that, 1302 71-72 and 1303 73 supers got the 3 bolt strut for the first half of the model year. Then the "73.5" 1303 onwards got the 2 bolt Essentially 73 was a transition year.
Also 73 1303 supers (region dependent) still have the fender top indicators as opposed to the in bumper units. _________________ '71 1302-S
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Michael Ambrozik Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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Don't forget the front seat mount and release is diferent. |
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infiniteLoop Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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With the front suspensions , the scrub radius is different along with the front tracking width. I believe the 02 is narrower and has the greater scrub radius. If a company is only keeping a design for one year and does it twice in a row, it's probably not good. The 02 should have the louvers in the cowl while the 03 has them in the hood. The 02 has more of the classic look with the flatish windshield while the .03 has what I would call a outlandish dash with the one hump for the gauges. |
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TK-CS Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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bilbo939 wrote: |
Also 73 1303 supers (region dependent) still have the fender top indicators as opposed to the in bumper units. |
74 Supers also have the front indicators on the fender. 75 was the first year when European beetles got them in the bumper.
Not to forget rack and pinion steering from 75 on.
infiniteLoop wrote: |
With the front suspensions , the scrub radius is different along with the front tracking width. I believe the 02 is narrower and has the greater scrub radius. |
This change was for the 74 MY of the 1303. 71 to 73 have the same front suspension.
infiniteLoop wrote: |
The 02 should have the louvers in the cowl while the 03 has them in the hood. |
You put it the other way around. _________________ AC:
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infiniteLoop Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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Thanks for the correction. Once in a while I try to source a better ash tray which also differs. |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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Glenn wrote: |
GArBa wrote: |
the 1303 roof has a different arrangement of the fresh air inlet slots below the rear window. |
Yes, the louvers are father apart and there is one less. |
Where did you find this info? I'm not so sure this is the case. I'll have to count them on my 73 when I get home, but they seem spaced the same as other beetles, and I've pulled chrome trim off them and given it to a friend that fit perfectly on his older standard. _________________ 73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
GArBa wrote: |
the 1303 roof has a different arrangement of the fresh air inlet slots below the rear window. |
Yes, the louvers are father apart and there is one less. |
Where did you find this info? I'm not so sure this is the case. I'll have to count them on my 73 when I get home, but they seem spaced the same as other beetles, and I've pulled chrome trim off them and given it to a friend that fit perfectly on his older standard. |
I was told that and later counted then and confirmed.
The 1303 has a different roof stamping than the 1302 and Standard Beetle. _________________ Glenn
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T-F-E Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:25 am Post subject: Re: Difference between VW beetle 1302 (1971-1972) vs 1303 (1973 up) |
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The 1302 is a very fun car. And it is my favorite Beetle. Some of these things may be regional since I mostly know about the local cars and should not be seen as some sort of a teachers edition. This is just what I have observed on the cars I have owned and the cars that my friends have owned. The 71 is the last year for the old steering wheel with the horn ring. The 72 for the new padded steering wheel. The 72 also has a slightly bigger rear window, so the earlier one will not fit. 72 also got the weird computer diagnois system. Where I live (Norway) it was the first year for the DVDA distributor, and the intake manifold with the vacuum line that goes up to the top of the aircleaner. In Europe we got the 1302 with the 1300DP engine and 4.375 gear ratio. The 1302S had the 1600DP and the taller 4.125 gear ratio and disc brakes in the front. A version called 1302A was also available. This was a stripped down version with the 34hp 1200 engine. Where I live it is extremely rare, if anyone was sold here at all. But in other countries they are more common. Some countries like Italy have much cheaper taxes for cars with smaller engines. All of this also applies to the 1303 if I am not mistaken.
The 71 has 2 sets of louvers in the engine lid and the 72 has 4. The suspension is identical except for the rear spring plates. The 71 has the single plates while the 72 has the dual plates. I prefer the single. I find it much easier to dismantle the suspension with them.
72 was also the first year you could get the marathon wheels.
Both the 71 and the 72 has louvers on the front hood up by the windshield.
The 1973 1303 has the shorter front hood without the VW logo. And a small shiny trim piece between the hood and the door. And of course the big curved windshield, the elephant feet tail lights and the weird big dashboard. The 73 has the same suspension as the 72. In 74 the front struts got changed to the same type you find on the Golf. They are easy to recognize since they are mounted to the spindle with 2 bolts. The old ones had 3. Because of this change I think the front track width of the 74 is a little bit wider.
I don't remember when the "big" wheels came but they were not a available on the 1302.
There was probably also some differences in the interior but I don't know enough about it to say anything. Other than that the 1302 has the old "rail" type seat fasteners while the 1303 has a more modern 3 point fastener.
There were also some differences in paint colors for each year. 72 was the first year for metallic colors. And at least here yellow was not available in 71.
The 74 also got the big triangular holes in the fenders for the bumper brackets. And I also think this was the year that the rear apron got a bulge.
In 75 the turnsignals were moved to the bumper and the framehead was changed to make room for the rack and pinion steering. And this was the last year for the 1303 sedan. After 75 the 1303 was all convertibles.
That is about all I can remember at the moment. I hope there isn't too much wrong and false information in there. And hopefully most of it is the same inother places too. |
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