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grambo Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2009 Posts: 82 Location: Old Hangtown, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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rontv, that is a clean looking install! I'm also looking at the Renogy 100ah battery for under the drivers seat, as a (mostly) plug and play power solution in the house battery box. I'm not sure if you have a swivel seat (doesn't look like it from your picture?), but can you or someone else with the same battery chime in to confirm if the swivel will still function even with the slightly protruding top of the Renogy 100ah battery in that location? Thanks! |
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rontv Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2013 Posts: 32
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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Hi Grambo
sorry for the late reply
i do have a swivel at the driver seat
for me its no pint as i actually never use it due to kitchen cupboard behind but witht the battery installed its not possible at the corners of the top plate hit the battery
maybe if you grind of the corners
ill check for you and submit the results
Ron |
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blackglasspirate Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2006 Posts: 1612
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:24 am Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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I'm thinking about going this route and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a good BMS and DC-DC converter?
I'm considering buying the 120ah package here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000316031708.html
I want to fit it in the stock location under the driver's seat without having to mod much (or anything).
Currently I have an aging AGM battery under there, connected with a Blue Seas ACR to the starter battery for alternator charge. I also have a 100w renogy panel on the roof with a Victron 75/15 bluetooth charge controller.
I'm guessing all I need to get to accompany the battery pack is a basic BMS and a DC-DC converter if I want alternator charge. And I'm also assuming getting a DC-DC converter will eliminate the need for the ACR?
Thanks for any help - I'm very unfamiliar with what all is needed for LifePo4. Our current battery is to the point where it can barely survive the night on a full charge if we have the heater on for a few hours ( along fridge and LED lights). Since we live in the van and winter is coming (or here already where we are), we need some more juice. _________________ '87 Vanagon GL Westfalia
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16508 Location: Brookeville, MD
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blackglasspirate Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2006 Posts: 1612
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:49 am Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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dobryan wrote: |
Victron makes DC-DC chargers now.... pretty blue color too. |
I was actually just looking at that. I'll probably stick with Victron unless there's a reason to do otherwise. Would an isolated dc-dc charger eliminate the need for an ACR? It seems like it would, but I'm not 100% sure.
Looking at Victron's BMS options is pretty confusing though, I'm not sure if there are better/cheaper/more simple options. _________________ '87 Vanagon GL Westfalia
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vwhammer Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2006 Posts: 998 Location: Boulder CO.
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blackglasspirate Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2006 Posts: 1612
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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I know someone that just got the 280ah one but unfortunately for me, neither one of those fit in the drivers side battery box :/
I may just opt for the 120 so I can get it sooner than later and get some more heat up in this van. Temps are in the teens at night and we’ve been waking up to icicles! _________________ '87 Vanagon GL Westfalia
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4352 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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blackglasspirate wrote: |
I may just opt for the 120 so I can get it sooner than later and get some more heat up in this van. |
That was my thought last Friday, too.. 120, click. Expecting them tomorrow. DC-DC Victron arrived today, Overkill BMS arrived yesterday.
Since I have not yet done a Fridge project, 120 should do for just my CDH for the time being. Hope to get this all put in over the weekend.
In a year or so, battery storage density and available sizes will have mushroomed, and someone will be happy to take my 120's off my hands for something like half of what I spent on them, I am sure, and I can look forward to lots more storage for when I do get a TF49.
The one thing I have not yet seen is where people are installing the Victron Orion-Tr DC-DC (30A). Its a lot bigger than I had imagined.
Also, still looking for a decent location for the Kerosene tank. more ideas would be welcome!!
Ps. My Buddy heater works, but I despise both the humidity and the monoxide issues.
-bobby _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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kguarnotta Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2004 Posts: 1160 Location: Woodstock, NH
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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thanks for the tip on the discount - I keep checking the sizes - as there is some variability - I've seen some 150 ah the same size as the 120 (ie they will fit under front seat) and I've seen some 150 ah that look like you would need to modify the front seat area... _________________ -Kevin
Lincoln, MA
'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
'65 Kombi - EZ-Camper |
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DeLvxe Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2019 Posts: 106 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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kguarnotta wrote: |
I've seen some 150 ah the same size as the 120 |
Can't confirm 100%, but I understand the 120 Ah are 150Ah cells that are used down to 80%. That said, I have the 120Ah cells you linked to and have been happy. I used the same BMS as the overkill version but ordered from Ali Express. I wanted a simple set-it-and-forget-it and landed on the Renogy DC550s which handles both DC-DC and solar. _________________ 1991 manual camper with EJ25 |
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1988M5 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2016 Posts: 674 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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Has anyone considered using both driver and passenger boxes (underseat compartments too) to house a giant LiFePo4 battery set up and doing away with the "starter" lead acid one? The Amp hours one could fit would easily start the engine within their ratings (2C on a 280AHr is nearly 600 amps) and keep a mini jump pack on board if things go wrong to stay mobile. Voltage would need to be managed out of the alternator not to exceed max 3.65V x 4 but outside of that you could save big money on not having dc-dc converters. Charge current wouldn't be an issue either with such a big lithium battery.
BK _________________ 1991 tin top GL
2002 Winnebago Vista. VW VR6 24V Eurovan front clip powered class C 21' RV.
Some BMWs. |
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kguarnotta Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2004 Posts: 1160 Location: Woodstock, NH
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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Wow - that is a great idea - but I literally just went for the 120 Ah battery...I have no idea on the logisitics of such a set up, but it sounds like a great idea. I'm sure some one smarter than me will have a real opinion on that... _________________ -Kevin
Lincoln, MA
'86 Triple Knob Syncro w/EJ22
'78 Westy
'69 Single Cab
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baltik Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2015 Posts: 440
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:16 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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1988M5 wrote: |
Has anyone considered using both driver and passenger boxes (underseat compartments too) to house a giant LiFePo4 battery set up and doing away with the "starter" lead acid one? The Amp hours one could fit would easily start the engine within their ratings (2C on a 280AHr is nearly 600 amps) and keep a mini jump pack on board if things go wrong to stay mobile. Voltage would need to be managed out of the alternator not to exceed max 3.65V x 4 but outside of that you could save big money on not having dc-dc converters. Charge current wouldn't be an issue either with such a big lithium battery.
BK |
I suspect that you will experience a severely degraded lifespan if you use your lifepo4 as a starting battery. Issue one will be that you won't be able to stop the charge once they are full, the other is that if you ever go into freesing temps, the large draw/charge at startup will be very bad for your battery. I have seen some lifepo4s in use as motorcycle batteries as well as some bMWs but the BMWs i believe have heaters built in. I don't believe the technology is quite there for LifePo4 to be a reliable DIY starter option. I have seen some really slick ways of installing a small AGM battery in the engine bay (similar to how Diesel vanagons do it) to me that's the goldilocks solution. 2 full lifepo4 banks with 300ah usable and a small odyssey AGM in the engine bay for starting |
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inorganic Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2016 Posts: 60 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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Has anybody ordered batteries lately? Most of the links in this thread are no longer, when you search for LIPO batteries the results are endless and I am just not that educated about what to look out for when choosing (out side of the measurements to fit in the driver seat, non-swivel).
If you have a fresh link - please share! _________________ '86 SYNCRO Weekender |
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inorganic Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2016 Posts: 60 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:32 am Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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Thank you for sharing this, your work has really opened the door to getting >100 Ah within the driver seat. A few questions,
1. Do you mind sharing the info of the solar set you have.
2. Does the ElectroDacus also charge the Starter Lead Acid battery with Solar too or does the solar strictly charge the LiPO4 battery.
3. Did you put an MPPT in aswell? Where would that go on your wiring diagram?
4. Now that you've had the set up in the van for >1 year - have you had any issues? what would you change?
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
_________________ '86 SYNCRO Weekender |
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sdenis Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2009 Posts: 3 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: New Record? 120 usable Amp Hours under Driver's seat |
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rontv wrote: |
wooow
looking great, and you can even close the original lid
should have known
just installed a 100Ah lifepo4 renogy battery, which fits too in the space but protrudes a bit in height, so need to make a new cover
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I've just ordered the same Renogy battery for a similar installation. What do you plan on doing to cover the battery?
Thanks! |
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