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paul060266 Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2005 Posts: 93 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:49 pm Post subject: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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When I jack up the car, all four wheel spin freely; however, when the car is lowered it’s really hard to push the car on level ground.
When I try to drive, the engine really struggles to move the car. It’s as if the parking brake is on.
For example, when you put it in first gear and try to accelerate and then step on the clutch or put it in neutral to coast, it quickly comes to a stop as if the brakes are applied. I am only referring to speeds of about 5 or so mph. I’ve never gone beyond 1st gear yet because of this.
New M/C, W/Cs, rubber hoses, fluid reservoir, Shoes, ebrake cables.
What might be causing this? |
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T2_681 Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 67 Location: Czech republic
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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Are you sure the problem is the brakes??? |
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Martin Southwell Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2010 Posts: 986 Location: Bath, England
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:56 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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I think you'll find it's a problem with the gearbox. I have the same with the 51 gearbox I put in the 47 as temporary measure, so that I could move the car around, whilst I rebuilt the original gearbox. Somewhat defeated the object, as the car can't be moved at present! |
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paul060266 Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2005 Posts: 93 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:56 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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No, I am not sure it is the brakes but whatever it is, it is causing the car to brake. |
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T2_681 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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You should first check which axle is causing the problem. |
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paul060266 Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2005 Posts: 93 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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I raised the car and let the axle tubes rest on jack stands. I ran the engine/transmission through all of the gears with no apparent issue.
Last edited by paul060266 on Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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T2_681 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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Now with the wheels spinning try slowly raising one of the rear axles to see if anything happens. |
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peter schepens Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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Bearings in the wheel or gearbox worn? Just an idea. When car off the ground, it spins free, when loaded.. it has to much friction. _________________ Zelensis, glassfibre body made in Belgium , disigned and built on a VW platform About 25 body's built.
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halfassleatherworks Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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paul060266 wrote: |
When I jack up the car, all four wheel spin freely; however, when the car is lowered it’s really hard to push the car on level ground.
When I try to drive, the engine really struggles to move the car. It’s as if the parking brake is on.
For example, when you put it in first gear and try to accelerate and then step on the clutch or put it in neutral to coast, it quickly comes to a stop as if the brakes are applied. I am only referring to speeds of about 5 or so mph. I’ve never gone beyond 1st gear yet because of this.
New M/C, W/Cs, rubber hoses, fluid reservoir, Shoes, ebrake cables.
What might be causing this? |
Did this problem exist before you did the brake work?
Front wheel bearings - okay?
Maybe have the car, on the ground and jack-up one wheel, at a time and try to spin, each one separately - jack up the rears, by the axle tube, as if on the ground - TEST EACH CORNER SEPERATELY, though. - z _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
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peter schepens Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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Wheel alignement ok? _________________ Zelensis, glassfibre body made in Belgium , disigned and built on a VW platform About 25 body's built.
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paul060266 Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2005 Posts: 93 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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I just acquired it and yes, this happened before the brake work.
Tire pressure and alignment are reasonably correct. I will investigate the wheel bearings. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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… looked in your gallery - like pic. 4 - so, same problem, before brake work - not a brake problem then - something changes, when on the ground, with weight on the wheels - would suck, if it needed a trans - can the PO offer any insight?
With all 4 wheels, off the ground - start it and put in first gear - any trans noises - anything seem strange - is the fluid in the trans up there - look like any trans leaks - axle boots okay?
… my '55 has a later trans - the car functions, as it should - that's all, I care about - original - not so much - z _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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esde Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 5969 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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So it ran through gears with the wheel in the air, but binds when on the ground? What’s different? Wheels aren’t “free”, something is binding under load.
Gearbox issue, possibly the differential?
How does a split case axle mount to the differential? Is it a spade like later tunnel case units?
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paul060266 Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2005 Posts: 93 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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And the culprit turned out to be the bearings.
All were replaced and now pure joy.
Thanks to all who gave their input. |
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Martin Southwell Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2010 Posts: 986 Location: Bath, England
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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Which bearings? You say 'all replaced', which would imply more than 2 bearings, so pressumably not the rear wheel bearings? Gearbox bearings? Good to hear that you have it sorted, but I would be interested to know what the cause is, as it might be the same on my 51 box. |
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paul060266 Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2005 Posts: 93 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:35 am Post subject: Re: Brakes seem to be on but wheels spin freely when car is jacked |
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To clarify, all of the wheel bearings were replaced: inner and outer bearings for the front and the rear ones as well. |
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