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Braukuche
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 Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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The 60 was a no sale at $31,250.
I wonder if it was the color?
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Braukuche wrote: |
The 60 was a no sale at $31,250.
I wonder if it was the color? |
The bidders did not come out for this one. Having a major holiday in the middle of the auction might not have been helpful. I expected more bidding??
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Marcdeb wrote: |
| Braukuche wrote: |
The 60 was a no sale at $31,250.
I wonder if it was the color? |
The bidders did not come out for this one. Having a major holiday in the middle of the auction might not have been helpful. I expected more bidding?? |
Didn’t think about that. I imagine Christmas being around the corner didn’t help either.
But still, that’s a lot of money for an unrestored coupe.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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A rusty 59 lowlight just popped up.
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1959 SO-23 Westfalia
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calexican
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Like a few others have said, it’s fun to watch the video, and I did think trylon was selling his car for a second... it’s rusty, but I get a good vibe from that low light.... kinda seems like he should keep it after all that work he did.... looks like it could use an alignment by the way his son is driving it. It’s pretty much like mine was when I got it about 10 years ago... my pans are better, but I definitely had all the nests. No reserve... will be fun to see what it goes for. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Interesting that the junkyard king Ron sturgeon is lead bidder on the lowlight as well as the 23 window on BAT.
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1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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myghiarocks
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Braukuche wrote: |
| Interesting that the junkyard king Ron sturgeon is lead bidder on the lowlight as well as the 23 window on BAT. |
Ron usually only buys cars recently that need very little work. He is currently outbid. Lets see if he stays in the hunt. |
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-volkswagen-karmann-ghia/
Nice 63 with too many mirrors 😃
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Strange why someone would add those mirrors to an otherwise pretty decent Ghia. And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that   . But these are easily repaired.
The car has a lot of good to offer and if it were mine, I would have made a few improvements before selling. I think it would be more than recovered in the high bid.
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2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
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rcooled
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Marcdeb wrote: |
| And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that. |
Oil cooler maybe?
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that. |
Oil cooler maybe? |
I'm wondering if it was maybe some kind of aftermarket air conditioning.
More holes under the dash that are also riveted over with the same aluminum, plus lots of extra small holes
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
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| Marcdeb wrote: |
| And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that. |
Oil cooler maybe? |
I'm wondering if it was maybe some kind of aftermarket air conditioning.
More holes under the dash that are also riveted over with the same aluminum, plus lots of extra small holes
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That could explain the double pulley.
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theghiagirl
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lonotch
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| kingkarmann wrote: |
| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
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| Marcdeb wrote: |
| And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that. |
Oil cooler maybe? |
I'm wondering if it was maybe some kind of aftermarket air conditioning.
More holes under the dash that are also riveted over with the same aluminum, plus lots of extra small holes
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That could explain the double pulley. |
Could that be the reason for the hole in the front for the condenser radiator?
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moogie32
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Well, that's interesting! You'd think between then and now a new decklid script could have been fitted. Lisa, what's your take on the mirror situation? Here's a picture of Lilcar new in 1963 sent to me from her original owner.
I have listed as an option on her birth certificate M194 Additional mirror, outside right, convex. The mirror in this picture and the ones on the BAT Ghia look different, but is it possible they might have been fitted by the dealer? Just going on the location Lilcar's is mounted in this picture....and I have always wondered why it's a left hand mirror mounted and not a right....
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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| kingkarmann wrote: |
| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
| rcooled wrote: |
| Marcdeb wrote: |
| And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that. |
Oil cooler maybe? |
I'm wondering if it was maybe some kind of aftermarket air conditioning.
More holes under the dash that are also riveted over with the same aluminum, plus lots of extra small holes
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That could explain the double pulley. |
The double pulley is on the lowlight.
My friend has a 74 Ghia with factory air. They mounted the radiator for the unit in front of the beam. But there were likely aftermarket AC units back in the day, so maybe someone mounted the radiator in the nose and cut that ugly ass hole for air flow. To fix that is going to require a paint job if it’s clear coated. Yikes.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Well, that's interesting! You'd think between then and now a new decklid script could have been fitted. Lisa, what's your take on the mirror situation? Here's a picture of Lilcar new in 1963 sent to me from her original owner.
I have listed as an option on her birth certificate M194 Additional mirror, outside right, convex. The mirror in this picture and the ones on the BAT Ghia look different, but is it possible they might have been fitted by the dealer? Just going on the location Lilcar's is mounted in this picture....and I have always wondered why it's a left hand mirror mounted and not a right.... |
Mirrors were standard by 58. I read somewhere they tossed them in the glovebox and the dealer was supposed to install them using a template.
The car on BAT has been repainted so likely some PO chose to go a different route with the mirrors, maybe he liked the look of British sports cars with the fender mounts and then discovered why they don’t use those on modern cars and put yet another mirror in a usable location?
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1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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To fix that is going to require a paint job if it’s clear coated. Yikes. |
Exactly, and they're definitely not going to recoup the $37,400 they spent on the car in 2018 as long as that is in the state it's in. I can't see it really bidding past the mid 20's with that ugly hole in the nose. Shame because it's a very nice car otherwise. I'm guessing the seller either had too much to drink at the Gooding & Co auction, or doesn't know these cars at all.
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98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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$37,400 in 2018! Would have been high in 2018 even if it was a Vert! And that may not include the buyers premium!! The seller at that time must have been quite pleased! I think this one might end with "Reserve not met". But we'll see?
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Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
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