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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

The 60 was a no sale at $31,250.
I wonder if it was the color?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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The 60 was a no sale at $31,250.
I wonder if it was the color?


The bidders did not come out for this one. Having a major holiday in the middle of the auction might not have been helpful. I expected more bidding??
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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The 60 was a no sale at $31,250.
I wonder if it was the color?


The bidders did not come out for this one. Having a major holiday in the middle of the auction might not have been helpful. I expected more bidding??


Didnít think about that. I imagine Christmas being around the corner didnít help either.
But still, thatís a lot of money for an unrestored coupe.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

A rusty 59 lowlight just popped up.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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A rusty 59 lowlight just popped up.


watching that one. I am "buc" on BAT.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

Like a few others have said, itís fun to watch the video, and I did think trylon was selling his car for a second... itís rusty, but I get a good vibe from that low light.... kinda seems like he should keep it after all that work he did.... looks like it could use an alignment by the way his son is driving it. Itís pretty much like mine was when I got it about 10 years ago... my pans are better, but I definitely had all the nests. No reserve... will be fun to see what it goes for.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

Interesting that the junkyard king Ron sturgeon is lead bidder on the lowlight as well as the 23 window on BAT.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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Interesting that the junkyard king Ron sturgeon is lead bidder on the lowlight as well as the 23 window on BAT.


Ron usually only buys cars recently that need very little work. He is currently outbid. Lets see if he stays in the hunt.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-volkswagen-karmann-ghia/

Nice 63 with too many mirrors 😃
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-volkswagen-karmann-ghia/

Nice 63 with too many mirrors 😃


Strange why someone would add those mirrors to an otherwise pretty decent Ghia. And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that Question Think. But these are easily repaired.

The car has a lot of good to offer and if it were mine, I would have made a few improvements before selling. I think it would be more than recovered in the high bid.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that.

Oil cooler maybe?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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Marcdeb wrote:
And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that.

Oil cooler maybe?


I'm wondering if it was maybe some kind of aftermarket air conditioning.
More holes under the dash that are also riveted over with the same aluminum, plus lots of extra small holes

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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rcooled wrote:
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And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that.

Oil cooler maybe?


I'm wondering if it was maybe some kind of aftermarket air conditioning.
More holes under the dash that are also riveted over with the same aluminum, plus lots of extra small holes

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


That could explain the double pulley.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

kingkarmann wrote:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-volkswagen-karmann-ghia/

Nice 63 with too many mirrors 😃


This one was at auction back in 2018.
https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1963-volkswagen-karmann-ghia-2/
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

kingkarmann wrote:
Era Vulgaris wrote:
rcooled wrote:
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And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that.

Oil cooler maybe?


I'm wondering if it was maybe some kind of aftermarket air conditioning.
More holes under the dash that are also riveted over with the same aluminum, plus lots of extra small holes

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


That could explain the double pulley.


Could that be the reason for the hole in the front for the condenser radiator?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

Well, that's interesting! You'd think between then and now a new decklid script could have been fitted. Lisa, what's your take on the mirror situation? Here's a picture of Lilcar new in 1963 sent to me from her original owner.
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I have listed as an option on her birth certificate M194 Additional mirror, outside right, convex. The mirror in this picture and the ones on the BAT Ghia look different, but is it possible they might have been fitted by the dealer? Just going on the location Lilcar's is mounted in this picture....and I have always wondered why it's a left hand mirror mounted and not a right....
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

kingkarmann wrote:
Era Vulgaris wrote:
rcooled wrote:
Marcdeb wrote:
And wouldn't it be interesting to know what would have caused someone to cut out the front sheet metal like that.

Oil cooler maybe?


I'm wondering if it was maybe some kind of aftermarket air conditioning.
More holes under the dash that are also riveted over with the same aluminum, plus lots of extra small holes

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


That could explain the double pulley.


The double pulley is on the lowlight.
My friend has a 74 Ghia with factory air. They mounted the radiator for the unit in front of the beam. But there were likely aftermarket AC units back in the day, so maybe someone mounted the radiator in the nose and cut that ugly ass hole for air flow. To fix that is going to require a paint job if itís clear coated. Yikes.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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Well, that's interesting! You'd think between then and now a new decklid script could have been fitted. Lisa, what's your take on the mirror situation? Here's a picture of Lilcar new in 1963 sent to me from her original owner.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

I have listed as an option on her birth certificate M194 Additional mirror, outside right, convex. The mirror in this picture and the ones on the BAT Ghia look different, but is it possible they might have been fitted by the dealer? Just going on the location Lilcar's is mounted in this picture....and I have always wondered why it's a left hand mirror mounted and not a right....


Mirrors were standard by 58. I read somewhere they tossed them in the glovebox and the dealer was supposed to install them using a template.
The car on BAT has been repainted so likely some PO chose to go a different route with the mirrors, maybe he liked the look of British sports cars with the fender mounts and then discovered why they donít use those on modern cars and put yet another mirror in a usable location?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

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To fix that is going to require a paint job if itís clear coated. Yikes.


Exactly, and they're definitely not going to recoup the $37,400 they spent on the car in 2018 as long as that is in the state it's in. I can't see it really bidding past the mid 20's with that ugly hole in the nose. Shame because it's a very nice car otherwise. I'm guessing the seller either had too much to drink at the Gooding & Co auction, or doesn't know these cars at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions Reply with quote

$37,400 in 2018! Would have been high in 2018 even if it was a Vert! And that may not include the buyers premium!! The seller at that time must have been quite pleased! I think this one might end with "Reserve not met". But we'll see?
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