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MisterChristo Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2020 Posts: 4 Location: NJ
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:23 pm Post subject: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Hi Guys n Gals,
I've reached a point where the seller has answered most questions, and I've seen most of the pictures I need to see to feel comfortable about making a deal. The car is 1,100 miles from where I am and I've got a vehicle transportation service ready to pick it up. The problem is that the seller won't agree to ship unless I pay in full first, through Venmo. I asked whether I could put down a $500 deposit to show my commitment and have the seller mail the signed title to me. Then send the rest once the car was loaded on the truck.
I don't feel comfortable sending full payment with nothing to show for it on my end, any advice from people who have successfully negotiated?
Basically, i'm hoping to complete the deal without either party feeling like they are giving too much to make that happen...
thanks-
Chris |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22639 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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You don’t get the title until you pay in full
It’s that simple. _________________ .ssS! |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76900 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Road trip.
I wouldn't buy a car without seeing it in person _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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MisterChristo Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2020 Posts: 4 Location: NJ
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Good Food for Thought- Thanks |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13270 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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I wouldnt pay through venmo
I also wouldnt let a shipper near my house until paid in full and cleared, either wire or cashiers check and I'm cashing it at their bank _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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Joe 20 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2005 Posts: 655 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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I don't know anything about Venmo but you're going to have to pay the guy before you get a title. I usually use and accept a bank check. I always send my payment by registered mail and request the seller send the title the same. Should not be a problem...we're talking thousands of dollars. I also have the sellers phone# and he has mine. I request he let me know when the title is mailed and request a photo when the vehicle is loaded and on it's way (carriers numbers etc.-lots of time the jobs get farmed out by big shippers). I know it is hard to send lots of money to someone you don't know, but if you want to play, you have to pay.
Glenn's advice however is the best. If you can, go see it and do things in person _________________ "Someday the world is gonna be populated by nothing but Volkswagens'" Corporal Klairvoy |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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call him. make sure it legit. if you have the time, and a truck, you will be better off. pictures can only show you so much. _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
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16CVs Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4024 Location: Redwood City, California
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Don't follow in other peoples footsteps and buy a car sight un seen. A trip to see it would be the cheapest money spent. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Triple knob (bastard)
1989 Syncro Tristar Triple knob "Swedish"
2013 Jetta Hybrid a true "Zwitter"
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Call anytime number 650 722 4914 .
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grandpa red Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2018 Posts: 520 Location: Hollister,Ca.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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I have sold two vehicles to out of state buyers with just pictures and phone conversations.
Titles sent after receiving payment. _________________ '72 Beetle |
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MisterChristo Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2020 Posts: 4 Location: NJ
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:01 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Thank you all for your perspective, it is helpful.
-Chris |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 4111
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:57 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Paypal has an escrow service. It's fee is based on dollar amount. For $15k it's $188 fee as an example. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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appetite Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2004 Posts: 127 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:56 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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As a fellow Jersey boy I know full well that most vintage VW purchases in our part of the country will be from the west coast. I can speak from experience that you should see your vehicle in person before you buy. Or, alternatively, hire a reputable and trusted set of eyes to do a pre-purchase inspection for you. There are great resources here on the samba for that service. _________________ 69 Westy |
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MisterChristo Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2020 Posts: 4 Location: NJ
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:47 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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appetite wrote: |
As a fellow Jersey boy I know full well that most vintage VW purchases in our part of the country will be from the west coast. I can speak from experience that you should see your vehicle in person before you buy. Or, alternatively, hire a reputable and trusted set of eyes to do a pre-purchase inspection for you. There are great resources here on the samba for that service. |
Thank you, the research continues with Lemon Squad, and with UShip and other Vehicle Transportation Services. Thanks also for the escrow tip with PayPal. We'll see how the negotiating goes... |
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airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12721 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:56 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Do not ever pay for a high-dollar item through Venmo unless the seller has a verified business account. The reason Venmo charges no fees for personal use is its blatant lack of protection for either party. PayPal charges ~4% because it pays for their buyer and seller protection services. Venmo does not, unless the seller has a business account.
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69805 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:19 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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I'm not super familiar with Venmo but someone random wanted to use it with me and it specifically says it's for personal payments only.
People you know.
I said No.
Don't sell a car via Paypal either, they can dispute it later if there is an issue. _________________ How to Post Photos
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kingkarmann Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 4111
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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EverettB wrote: |
I'm not super familiar with Venmo but someone random wanted to use it with me and it specifically says it's for personal payments only.
People you know.
I said No.
Don't sell a car via Paypal either, they can dispute it later if there is an issue. |
Good to know. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
Mike Gerson
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TrulyVintage Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2008 Posts: 207 Location: Direct Enclosed Transporter
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:33 am Post subject: Venmo Is A No |
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You actually believe it is “ reasonable “ to expect a Seller to
release possession of a vehicle to you and have it get loaded
onto a trailer with a deposit
Nope
A vehicle does not transfer physical possession without payment in full
Venmo - PayPal along with any other money handling service is a no go
Folks contact me every day wanting a transport quote for “ what if “ scenarios
I tell them to contact an auto transport broker because
I haul vehicles folks own - not vehicles they might purchase
I can’t schedule transport and build a trip to pick up
a vehicle someone might buy
Bank wire transfer is the standard in lieau of face to face cash
If you don’t want to pay for a vehicle until it is picked up - go get it yourself
and drive it or trailer it yourself
If you don’t trust the Seller then do not buy the vehicle _________________ Jim is on the road @ http://www.trulyvintagetrailers.citymax.com/trulyvintage-feedback.html |
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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I've bought several vehicles from Samba folks; sometimes because of an ad and sometimes because of behind the scenes messages. They have all been long-time members. Phone calls with detailed discussions and LOTS of detailed photos have never been a problem. Neither has getting a copy of their DL, title to the car, and photos of VINs. Deposits via Paypal have happened but balance has always been via bank wire transfer - and always before the car is picked up for shipping. What seller that's legit or in their right mind would let a car go before receipt of the full payment? Once the wire transfer has been made and receipt has been confirmed, the seller overnights the title and BoS. I've yet to have an issue following this protocol. And I've sold several cars that way, too. _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
OG member of the '67 Posse
A few of my toys, past and present
'56 Oval, '66 KG Conv't, '67 21-Window, '67 Bug, '79 SuperVert, '55 Pre-A Continental |
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AZ Landshaper Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2009 Posts: 1698 Location: The Old Pueblo
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:09 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Ive had a PPI done and when I got the report the mechanic held the car until it was picked up by the transport service. They charged me a fee of 125$ to hold the car for three days but it was a little more secure in my mind that there were eyes on the vehicle after the sale was made and it was a third party acting in my behalf. He even confirmed the vin no on the title and sent a pic with car on transport vehicle as it left his lot.
Basically I transferred the payment to seller and he left the car with the mechanic who facilitated loading it on the transport. _________________ Support Small Business.
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Previously
64, 71, 72, 73, 76, 81, 84, 85 & 87 Campmobiles and Westfalias
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3031 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:58 am Post subject: Re: How to Buy a Car Listed Here |
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Only a fool would give up the title without having full payment in hand. So the seller is protecting himself. But you can protect yourself as well.
Go see the car and close the deal in person.
I bought a Ghia from a Long time Samba Member over a year ago. They seller is an expert in the field. I spent several hours on the phone with him and he even had a very detailed website documenting the restoration of the car. I was nervous about the large amount and did a lot of research on the seller, some even here on TheSamba. I consider myself a very careful buyer, but I also recognize that I can get a bit gullible when excited about a Ghia!
Well, I got taken. Never, I seriously mean NEVER, trust pictures. There's was lots of issues that the photos did not reveal. The "Newly Painted" Ghia had to be stripped to bare metal and repainted. Good car but I paid way too much. If I had seen the car in person I would never have paid what I did. The seller knew very well that the car was not as he described.
He misrepresented another car sold on this site, at the same time as I made my purchase, so it seems to be his way!
Bottom line is if you have any reservations, no matter how small, listen to your gut. Go see the car and close the deal in person. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
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