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Ceckert64 Samba Member
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22727 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Jeebus Crikey! Still not done? Fye might get his speedster done first! _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Tram wrote: |
Jeebus Crikey! Still not done? Fye might get his speedster done first! |
WORK on something??
I just spend all my time on the Samba...! _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:31 pm Post subject: Fiddling |
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Work done got busy on me again.
Can only jump over and do a little this or that for the last few days.
Just had to pull those terrible, horrible, no-good OG-style door seals off.
Found myself wailing in frustration every time i touched a door.
Wences is coming by soon for buff, and it's just inappropriate for the doors to be all pooched out like that..
Thinking they are probably Way-Too-Fucking-Stiff rather than the wrong dimensions.
They woulda been SO perfect if made of more flexible material..
Whee! Let's clean up some glue!
Going to try the ISP thinner/softer seals again.
This time, I'm going to do some pie-cuts and sectioning to make them fit better.
Got a few tubes of that glue 'djway' recommended.
Hope springs eternal.
Having seals out seems like the only way to really setup latches right.
Especially when a car is all frankensteined like mine.
First click:
Second click:
And this is with the striker plate as far 'out' away from the car as it will go!
Putting thicker shims under the rubber striker wedge kept it from going over-center like that so much.
Also going to have to try and figure out how to draw that rear fender in a bit more.
Have some ideas.. Maybe Wences will too..
Derek 'nogoodwithusernames' and his Dad do 3d printing and CAD work.
They have agreed to start getting some files worked up to make molded carpet trim parts.
WhooHoo!! Things are looking up!
Cut the pieces free from the old carpets i had and got them into a box.
Interesting how these are made..
Managed to get Lenny on the phone to discuss carpets.
He's a funny one that guy, any of you who know him can attest..
His carpets are indeed just bound with no molded parts.
Also doesn't do any vinyl binding like factory..
He does have good accurate patterns and doesn't need your car there to sell a carpet.
He also would be willing to sell me a carpet set sans binding.
So that will probably be the way i go;
Get a black wool squareweave T3 carpet set cut.
Need to find a carpet place that can do accurate vinyl binding,
Some velcro,
And figure out these molded trim parts..
Hey,
If TMI can do their incorrect molded trim parts,
Figuring out a way to do the right ones shouldn't be too awful hard.
Right?
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22727 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Friendly advice: Don't even bother with door and lid final adjustments until the seals are in. It's just wasted time. Trust me.
Then, be aware that adjusting the strikers on your doors is somewhat counterintuitive- sometimes moving in the opposite direction than seems logical gives better results.
Let us know how the ISP seals work out. ALL of the new "German" door seals seem to be pretty much fucked. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4189 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Tram wrote: |
Friendly advice: Don't even bother with door and lid final adjustments until the seals are in. It's just wasted time. Trust me.
Then, be aware that adjusting the strikers on your doors is somewhat counterintuitive- sometimes moving in the opposite direction than seems logical gives better results.
Let us know how the ISP seals work out. ALL of the new "German" door seals seem to be pretty much fucked. |
Now you tell me Mr Trammuel! _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Tram wrote: |
Friendly advice: Don't even bother with door and lid final adjustments until the seals are in. It's just wasted time. Trust me.
Let us know how the ISP seals work out. |
Yup, I've found that out as well. It doesn't matter if you're working on a VW, or a GM. Door adjusting is done after the seals are in place. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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djway3474 Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2011 Posts: 2582 Location: The Real NDK So Cal
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Have you ever seen a heat seamer that is used for door panels or carpet grommets?
It’s a rectangular rod that is a resistor. It is shaped as needed, brought up to temp then the plastic and carpet are melted together. If you want that look you most likely will have to make your own seamer.
I used that glue you have pictured to make my own spark plug hole filler’s. They lay flat so you really don’t see them. The rubber rips before you can get the glue bond to tear.
I also agree that you shouldn’t waste time adjusting without the seal in place. |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:39 am Post subject: Last? Primer Session |
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And the world's most painfully arduous build drags on... (and on)...
I'd like to go on record that if you are going to setup some crappy aftermarket door striker rubber wedges,
That this 'no seals' step might just be needed.
In The Bible, it shows using shims to remove the 'up 'n down' movement of the wedge/striker when closed in the latch.
However...
With these new rubber wedges being a bit small, and a shim in (on a new part -groan-) the 'up 'n down' might be 'tight", but when the door is closed, there is still a lot of movement.
The aftermarket rubber wedges are the wrong shape, and need a bit more shim than just taking up the slack.
Also,
With my car being in a big 'ol wreck and all,
It's good to have the seal out of the way and watch the latch and striker mate cleanly.
It was feeling like there was a shim needed -behind- the striker plate, and the latch wasn't hitting home without scraping the side.
But it wasn't thankfully..
It's the latch being 'scrapey'.. Not sure why..
So there you have it.. Anal anality on a car that should have been totaled..
ANyways...
Every time i turned around to finish anything, something needed painted first.
Got stuck stopped enough times now that it was time to break out the gun.
Unfortunately, its February, have to paint outside, and it's raining.
Weather forecast called for a 'warm' couple of days, so i decided to shoot the tube..
Wet-sanded my powder coat FAIL on the spare bucket.
Not just a Ghetto-Ass Paint Booth.
A HEATED Ghetto-Ass Paint Booth...!
Trying to get enough warmth into the epoxy and high-build..
Also did some epoxy, high-build, and spot putty on the stealth 3d printed low-profile oil fill Derek made for me.
We'll see if the stuff sticks..
Hoping it gets warm enough,
The wind stays down,
And it doesn't rain hard today..
Might shoot a bit o' paint? _________________ Bus Motor Build
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nogoodwithusernames Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2014 Posts: 599 Location: CA, USA
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Most of a day yesterday off and on..
Got some black paint shot while the weather cooperated.
All of these are a full win.
Now i can finish installing decklid, rear fenders, fuel pump switch, and battery cutoff.
This coulda come out better.
This outside looks OK but i ran the inside really bad.
It'll need sanded and shot again.
This stuff will get sanded and shot red today with any luck.
Will also use a small brush to touch up motor and wheel nicks.
Progress is progress.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Snuck in some red paint before the rain hit.
Now i can finish assembling the motor.
Progress is progress. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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andybla Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2014 Posts: 630 Location: BE
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:45 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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looking good, almost done |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Last? Primer Session |
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Clatter wrote: |
And the world's most painfully arduous build drags on... (and on)...
I'd like to go on record that if you are going to setup some crappy aftermarket door striker rubber wedges,
That this 'no seals' step might just be needed.
In The Bible, it shows using shims to remove the 'up 'n down' movement of the wedge/striker when closed in the latch.
However...
With these new rubber wedges being a bit small, and a shim in (on a new part -groan-) the 'up 'n down' might be 'tight", but when the door is closed, there is still a lot of movement.
The aftermarket rubber wedges are the wrong shape, and need a bit more shim than just taking up the slack.
Also,
With my car being in a big 'ol wreck and all,
It's good to have the seal out of the way and watch the latch and striker mate cleanly.
It was feeling like there was a shim needed -behind- the striker plate, and the latch wasn't hitting home without scraping the side.
But it wasn't thankfully..
It's the latch being 'scrapey'.. Not sure why.. |
Can you post some pics on what you're talking about? Just asking as not all of the wedges are the same, as some are built for the latch differently. Keep in mind that VW used different styles of wedges on different models, and you might be trying to mix and match again. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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calvinater Samba Member
Joined: September 06, 2014 Posts: 3329 Location: 802 The Pointless Forrest
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Mr.Duncan Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2012 Posts: 3542 Location: Houston, TX
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Yeah, been a while..
It's just really hard to keep motivated on this thing right now.
All of these things that suck, and repeated tries just don't chase the suckiness out of them..
When multiple tries just make things worse, like with those window scraper trims,
That's when i go and do something else for a while.
Three tries so far with assembling doors;
Third set of felt tracks coming; Ghia tracks this time.
Third try with door seals; first ISP, then German, now ISP again.
Really hate that decklid seal, it'll need another and a re-install.
When you're trying to decide which parts to use, and it's hard to decide which one sucks the least (if there's a choice),
Or you have to just run a sucky one, because there's no other choice,
It kinda gets hard to keep at it, dig?
So i get distracted by building another engine..
Upping my game with honing here at home;
240/600 plateau finish:
Also gathering parts for the 2270.
Big thanks to Trevor for helping me track down the pin locks i need.
Weather got nice enough yesterday for me to do some paint stuff.
Sanded out all the runs from my tire bowl for my what, fourth or fifth try at that fucking thing.. :fist:
Nicks i put in wheels had been touched up with base and then several coats of clear.
They got wet-sanded and buffed up thru the grits.
You can see the repairs if you look closely, but good enough no doubt.
This sure came out nice,
Especially for being shot outside.
No need for cut/buff; straight out of the gun.
Still trying to talk Wences into coming by one last time.
He's sicker of this car than i am for sure.
Anyways, I'm still trying to put this thing together right before i go to driving it around.
Because I know myself by now.
Any corners cut, or things left un-done, will stay that way once the car starts getting driven.
No way I'll ever decide to go back in and re-do the doors or anything like that once it's together.
No way in hell.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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VWporscheGT3 Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2006 Posts: 2076 Location: Gardnerville, NV
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Clatter wrote: |
Also gathering parts for the 2270.
Big thanks to Trevor for helping me track down the pin locks i need.
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Anytime Brotha! now hurry you got till late June to get your car together and up to crescent city. _________________ Schnell, SCHNELL!
I like being wrong, Because, it is another opportunity to learn. If you stop learning from your mistakes than what is the point?
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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And so the embarrassingly slow build drags along at a painfully slow pace.
Here was a whole day's effort.
Started off with another trip to the paint store,
Only a couple hunnert bux this time.
Bought a cheapo three-gun set for primer and epoxy use, as the old ones are finally dead.
Plus some more compound #2, more paper, etc.
That led to some assembly while it warmed up enough to paint.
Battery project got done done.
Long enough black cable,
and some spacers underneath the lid/cover, so it don't smash the battery when tightened.
Two rust rugs inside there to clear bolts...
Plus, i stabbed my painted switch handle.
Done done.
Glovebox needed the spring that holds it open.
Dug forever to try and find it; still no luck.
Know it's here somewhere; seen it for sure..
Noticed the screws and washers had bad paint, so they got taken off, wire-wheeled, blasted and painted.
Once the screws and spring are in, glovebox project is done if the gauge even works or not!
See also registration and insurance papers..
Finally warmed up enough for some black paint.
Extra motor parts squirted while gun was out.
Despite the massive global extinction of insects from climate change,
Wouldn't you know it, one of the LAST fruit flies in California found my paint.
Had fits with this new gun Wences gave me at first..
It was just spitting and leaving orange peel.
Had to make these feeble spitty passes to get material down.
Cleaning the gun all frustrated and pissed, i cranked open the air pressure inlet to blast it clean with thinner,
And,
Whadda ya know,
It started flowing real nice after that..
Duh. (insert rubber chicken)
Hope my Brother Man the Hero of the Story can come by one last time..
Left front fender didn't get buffed, and my attempts to buff it are pretty damn sorry.
Don't know what I'm doing wrong, it it's damn wrong whatever it is..
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