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smeeegheeead Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2021 Posts: 48 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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Partial vent partial WTF I guess......
Just started a new project that's at 86'. Picked up 15'' steelies and General Grabber AT-X for it. When I went to a local Discount Tire to have them mounted, the tech said that they were not a high enough load rating for the van. Ended up buying KO2 which would have been my first choice were I able to find them.
So now I see certainly the AT-X are fine. WTF??? What do you do in this case? I'm stuck with a set of AT-X that I'll lose $120 if I have to ship them back and the KO2 were about $150 more. Seems like a hose job.
**** Edit- This is totally my own fault... I bought ATX SL. So per the manager I just talked to, the standard load is a light truck tire etc. Totally F'd that one up.
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vanagonjr Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: Dartmouth, Mass.
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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dobryan wrote: |
Thanks. Yep. Does anyone know if that 1565 load rating needs to be devalued by 9% or is it a truck rating and thus full value? (I can never figure that stuff out.) |
I asked TireRack and they said the Geolander should be devalued 9% _________________ John - 86 Wolfsburg Westfalia "Weekender"
Flint reversed 1.8T W/Passat 5-Speed
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16504 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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vanagonjr wrote: |
dobryan wrote: |
Thanks. Yep. Does anyone know if that 1565 load rating needs to be devalued by 9% or is it a truck rating and thus full value? (I can never figure that stuff out.) |
I asked TireRack and they said the Geolander should be devalued 9% |
That is what I was afraid of. That puts them at too low a load amount for a full westy. Damn. _________________ Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 and Peloquin TBD
"To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive." Robert Louis Stevenson
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vanagonjr Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: Dartmouth, Mass.
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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smeeegheeead wrote: |
**** Edit- This is totally my own fault... I bought ATX SL. So per the manager I just talked to, the standard load is a light truck tire etc. Totally F'd that one up.
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Did you mean to say that SL, standard load is NOT a truck tire? _________________ John - 86 Wolfsburg Westfalia "Weekender"
Flint reversed 1.8T W/Passat 5-Speed
LiMBO (late model bus club) www.limbobus.org
LiMBO is on Facebook too! https://www.facebook.com/groups/
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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The 215/70/15 Geolandars worked well on my Westy and were right at the load rating IIRC. 26.9" diameter.
The smallest LT size in Geolandars is 215/75/15 (or it used to be.) _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
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dobryan Samba Member
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dart330 Samba Member
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dobryan Samba Member
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smeeegheeead Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2021 Posts: 48 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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vanagonjr wrote: |
smeeegheeead wrote: |
**** Edit- This is totally my own fault... I bought ATX SL. So per the manager I just talked to, the standard load is a light truck tire etc. Totally F'd that one up.
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Did you mean to say that SL, standard load is NOT a truck tire? |
Per Discount tire, the SL is not rated high enough for a vanagon based upon VW's guidelines. I'm at a loss.
**So they're not saying that it's not a truck tire, just that it's a light truck tire which is apparently not acceptable.
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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just a smidge taller you can get a GRABBER A/TX - SIZE: 205/75R15
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trk...p;_sacat=0
dobryan wrote: |
I have read thru the tire threads and cannot find an all terrain 205/70/15 (or similar stock diameter tire). I do not want a larger size like 215/75/15.
Anyone have one they like? |
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dobryan Samba Member
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danfromsyr Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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it's REAL hard to find a 205 in a LR 100+
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how about a 195 snow with a high load rating?
https://simpletire.com/paid?v=1&tireSize=195-7...grip-pt935
Petlas Fullgrip PT935 195/70/15
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dobryan Samba Member
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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I got my new tires mounted on Saturday.
General Grabber ATX, 215/75/15.
Too early first impressions:
--You can really see how f*cked up my paint is in these pictures.
--They're narrower than the 225/70/15's they replaced so my sliding door doesn't rub the back tire when I open it; that's a plus.
--While confirmation bias is in play here, these are just better tires than the Coopers they replaced. The sidewalls are stiffer but the tread seems softer if that's possible. The van is more stable in wind (tested at 70 MPH on I-70 in a 30 MPH cross wind.) Much easier to control.
--No difference in road noise; both these and the Coopers are quieter than my old BFG's and not as quiet as Geolandars.
--The van doesn't dip or lean nearly as much in corners, again I think due to the sidewalls.
--We got some thick, wet, slushy snow on Saturday night, so yesterday morning I went out and slid around in it a bit. About equal to the Coopers as far as snow and ice grip goes.
--They look cool.
I'm going over the mountains through a forecasted snowstorm early Wednesday morning then out to the desert for the rest of the week. I'll have some real world experience very soon. _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
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dobryan Samba Member
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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In looking at the description, the ones I've been talking about (and that I bought two consecutive sets of--only time ever) are the discontinued Geolandar ATS. The AT G015 is the newer version.
The big complaint with the ATS from a few trusted Samba people was poor snow and ice performance. I guess I never drove my 2WD in enough snow and ice to notice any problems. The G015 is supposed to be much improved in winter conditions. _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
Available Now! Vanagon to Louisiana--A Two-Lane Reckoning Through Past and Present
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dobryan Samba Member
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joetiger Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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...the tire features Yokohama’s Enduro Compound, made from an orange oil compound with a high silica content, for improved braking and handling in wet and winter conditions. The Geolandar A/T G015’s winter performance is also backed by the mountain/snowflake symbol and meets the RMA’s severe snow service criterion.
https://www.tirereview.com/yokohama-adds-at-tire-to-geolandar-line/ _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
Available Now! Vanagon to Louisiana--A Two-Lane Reckoning Through Past and Present
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Jamos Samba Member
Joined: July 08, 2005 Posts: 762 Location: Lake Tahoe, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: 15'' tire options |
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/\/\/\/\ Those General Grabbers look like they'll help your bus take on any road or trail!
I've been really enjoying the Nokian WRC3 205/70R15 tires. The 205/70 have a load range of 106/104. I've been airing them at 42 front / 46 rear.
They are a nice combo of good on the highway, good in the snow, and are mildly aggressive.
(Side note: I'm looking for a single GoWesty 15" alloy if anyone has one they want to sell)
_________________ '86 Wolfy Westy Weekender
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