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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:03 am    Post subject: Sealer and the affect on paint color Reply with quote

Will a dark sealer make the paint color darker? I have chosen a solid blue color, no flake or pearl. Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Sealer and the affect on paint color Reply with quote

generally, yes. du-pont calls it "value shade"

ever see yellow that looks greenish? it's because a darker sealer was used.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Sealer and the affect on paint color Reply with quote

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Sealer and the affect on paint color Reply with quote

So a lighter color sealer/ primer would make the paint more true to its color if I understand this correctly?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Sealer and the affect on paint color Reply with quote

NO! Anyone who says sealer will affect the overall shade/color is an inexperienced novice at best. Sealer shades are used simply to assist in overall coverage of the color coat. If the sealer has altered the color in any way then the painter didn't put enough color down. I hate when people say sealer affects color. The only affect the sealer will have is how many coats to takes to cover! Absolutely NO.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: Sealer and the affect on paint color Reply with quote

VintageVulture wrote:
NO! Anyone who says sealer will affect the overall shade/color is an inexperienced novice at best. Sealer shades are used simply to assist in overall coverage of the color coat. If the sealer has altered the color in any way then the painter didn't put enough color down. I hate when people say sealer affects color. The only affect the sealer will have is how many coats to takes to cover! Absolutely NO.



novice....right Rolling Eyes

try to paint white with a dark grey sealer. see how that panel matches. true, you CAN bury the sealer but you end up with a thicker (mil) topcoat.

look at any plastic bumper cover on any car today. the primer/sealer on those is a different shade. the only cars that have a dead nut match from body to bumper color are European cars. go check out a light colored ford/chevy/dodge and you will see the color is a mile off.

to achieve the correct outcome paint companies have a V.S. primer color for a reason. I agree that it is for coverage of the topcoat but it can have an effect on the color.

try painting yellow with the wrong V.S. I guarantee it will have a green tint to it. seeing this stuff has to chemically bond, the paint "melts" the sealer and it bleeds into the paint. every coat you put on alters the color.

but what do I know....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: Sealer and the affect on paint color Reply with quote

Any kind of sealer, coating....whatever .....regardless if it has a tint or not.....that changes gloss level either positive or negative.....affects "viewed" color....meaning what your eye sees.

It wont change the color from a spectrophotometer point of view as that tool can subtract for gloss.

If there is any tint or color at all in a sealer.....it WILL affect color. Ray
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Sealer and the affect on paint color Reply with quote

raygreenwood wrote:
Any kind of sealer, coating....whatever .....regardless if it has a tint or not.....that changes gloss level either positive or negative.....affects "viewed" color....meaning what your eye sees.

It wont change the color from a spectrophotometer point of view as that tool can subtract for gloss.

If there is any tint or color at all in a sealer.....it WILL affect color. Ray


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Getting ready to start sanding this 20yr old paint job on my vw thatís never seen the light of day other than to roll out and take a few pixs like this. My car was stripped to the metal b4 the existing paint(base/clear coat) was applied so it should make a good base for the next spray. Iím thinking wet sand the existing paint with 200 then with 400grit. The blue paint on the side will need to be sanded down to the silver base coat since the transition between the two colors can easily be felt and seen. The new color will be some shade of silver so Iím thinking the primer sealer should be that same color.
Should I used an expoxy sealer? (brand?)
A regular high quality sealer/primer? (brand?)
What grit should I used on the seal coat in preparation for the new base/clear coat? (dry sand?)
Does this sound like the correct approach that will result in an quality paint job? Iím planning to color sand and buff/polish to a show finish.

Thanks!
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