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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:11 am    Post subject: Crank start option pictures/ dimensions - help please! Reply with quote

Hello there,
I know that crank start was available on buses up to around 1959 and beetles through 52/55ish? I want to add the crank start setup to my 1958 beetle and have found the rear tin with hinged hole flap, the crank start handle, and a repro bracket for the rear bumper.

heres the thing. I cant find much info about the crank start option on the net or on the samba itself. i have a few questions.

im looking for a pic of the hole in the rear apron. what are the correct dimensions for its location as well as correct diameter of the hole in the apron?

what covers this hole and keeps hot air from comoing up through it into the engine compartment- i mean vw did the hinged flap on the engine tin, but missed this? is there some unobtanium cover for the hole in the apron

how is the bumper bracket mounted? any pics of hardware?

how long was the original handle? there is a gentlemen on the samba that makes reproduction handles. I dont have my motor in currently and need to know the correct distance from the face of the crank pulley washer to the furthest point of the center of the bumper? i have an original EMPI push bar that bolts through the overrider uprights and i need to make the crank handle long enough so its 90 degree bend clears the push bar. how long was the original handle??

detailed pics of all this stuff posted here or links would be awesome!!! thanks- Bret
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a picture of a September 1949, maybe you can derive the location from this. Mine measures about 1 5/8" or about 42mm

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Heres the crankstart bracket that mounts on the bumper with two 6mm bolts.

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There is no cover on the apron hole.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another pic for you to look at. maybe it will help. 1948 with wrong bumpers, so no crank mount yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 52 and later rear bumper may put the bracket higher than that of a Split's grooved bumper. Check the height.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
The 52 and later rear bumper may put the bracket higher than that of a Split's grooved bumper. Check the height.


what was the last year of crankstart for a beetle? ive seen a 55 with it before and a 55 should have the same bumpers as my 58, bumpers changed in 53
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From PR:

October 1949 the crankstart handle was no longer supplied on all cars (deluxe and standard) and was instead supplied only on cars ordered with the feature.

29 Aug. 58 at chassis 384 875

Starting handle was no longer supplied in tool kit, starter dog (crank pulley bolt) discontinued after present stocks are exhausted.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nlorntson wrote:
From PR:

October 1949 the crankstart handle was no longer supplied on all cars (deluxe and standard) and was instead supplied only on cars ordered with the feature.

29 Aug. 58 at chassis 384 875

Starting handle was no longer supplied in tool kit, starter dog (crank pulley bolt) discontinued after present stocks are exhausted.

Chassis 384 875 must refer to a bus?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virtanen in finland is making new crank guides:

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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1332624http://www.restorationpanels.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billmetric wrote:
Virtanen in finland is making new crank guides:

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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1332624http://www.restorationpanels.com/


Yes - I have one of these -
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know the dimensions of a beetle crank start handle?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1090316

This may help. I would think the supplier should be able to help
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GüteAndTite wrote:
Anyone know the dimensions of a beetle crank start handle?


Bump, the overall length would be a very helpful bit of information that would help me right now. Can anyone measure their beetle handle please?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Crank start option pictures/ dimensions - help please! Reply with quote

I'll have a look at mine at the weekend and do some measurements for you
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:11 am    Post subject: Re: Crank start option pictures/ dimensions - help please! Reply with quote

Here you go - mine measures like this:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: Crank start option pictures/ dimensions - help please! Reply with quote

Zwitter UK wrote:
Here you go - mine measures like this:

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Thank you sir!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Crank start option pictures/ dimensions - help please! Reply with quote

If you are looking for a crank handle (not mine): https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1090316

He can also make the early version:


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