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orwell84 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2007 Posts: 2528 Location: Plattsburgh, New York
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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I always find myself considering whether to replace a whole panel and it always depends; what you are replacing how much harder it would be to remove the whole thing, what other stuff is is welded to that also needs to be fixed how long it will take one way vs the other and the quality of the end result. I went through this when redoing my cab floor. one section along the side needed to be patched and a number of deeply pitted areas got welded up but about 85 % perfect. I chose to repair it because it would take less time than to drill out the spot welds and fight with a replacement. I ground the welding so it couldn't be seen and preserved all the original stampings so I was happy with the result. Other stuff like the sliding door track had to all come out. No patching that thing and having a sliding door that would still slide. |
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D/A/N Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2224 Location: 11222
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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We’ve been out adventuring for a while now that we’ve upgraded the charging system and cleaned up the auxiliary fuse panel and wiring along with the fresh water tank and intake/drainage lines with a minimum of holes in the new floor. Whereas before every wire had its own hole, we’ve gotten it down to four holes total for everything. The largest is only 1 1/4”. Before, there was only one grommet and that was a piece of fuel line. Now, every hole is grommeted. No pics yet but overall it feels really good driving around with all the weird systems fixed and the floor not threatening to rot out from under us. Infinite credit goes to Capt. Skills for his masterful metal work.
We’ve only had one silly misadventure on our trip so far. Well, two if you count the fact that we put on what we didn’t know were aftermarket valve covers that didn’t fit for shit and leaked oil all over the street. Or three if you also count that after replacing one of the taillight housings we got the wires mixed up and didn’t have a right turn signal with the headlights on. The bigger one was an irritating miss at high RPM and cruise that emerged about an hour into our first drive. For some reason I looked in the distributor first and found that the tip had disappeared from the end of the rotor! Check out that one on the right. I found the tip in the bottom of the distributor. Fun times.
_________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1904cc w/ 40mm Dellortos, 019 distributor, Steve Tims “super stock” 37x32 heads, Web Cam 218, Vintage Speed SS143 Super Speed exhaust, 1 1/2” heater boxes |
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cmonSTART Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2014 Posts: 1915 Location: NH
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Holy smokes! It's a bit hard to read but are they the same part number? _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
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Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2224 Location: 11222
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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good job putting holes in my floor ingrates
seriously, glad you're out and about in her. you sure had a lot to deal with when it came to that wiring.
at least you had floors to drill holes in _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2224 Location: 11222
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:44 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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under the dash it needs to run along the inner part (middle of the bus side) of the headlight bucket. it goes behind the air duct. the hole it's routed thru in the column support is correct.
the underside by the wheel is hard to describe. it does a bit of a sweeping loop out of the spindle and gets pinched with the brake light harness against the frame. I will see if I can snap a photo for you. not sure if the Bentley shows the routing, but it might _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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D/A/N Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2224 Location: 11222
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nemobuscaptain Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 3874
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:09 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Globespotter wrote: |
Here goes...
Forgive my stupidity or ignorance please but...
Would it not be easier to pull the whole floor and replace it with a new one - or can one not get the whole floor as a part???
...and as usual - stellar workmanship Skills. |
If nothing else, the shipping for smaller pieces of floor etc are much cheaper than a full piece. The other thing is it is alot easier to cut out the rot and weld in a piece. Not as much flexing of anything and lot less guessing. You'd be surprised sometimes how it isn't immediately obvious once you cut everything out exactly how a repair panel goes on the body. Even corners are like that.
To me, these metal work dudes are friggin magicians. _________________ Ohio Valley Tribe, Full Moon Bus Club https://www.facebook.com/groups/294422277314227/
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RIP Bob Hoover https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=427791
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Yeah
Yeah
Come on
Here we go again, motherfucker
Yeah
Come on down and see the idiot right here
Too fucked to beg and not afraid to care
What's the matter with calamity anyway?
Right? Get the fuck outta my face
Understand I can't feel anything
It isn't like I wanna sift through the decay
I feel like a wound like I got a fucking gun against my head
You live when I'm dead
One more time, motherfucker
Everybody hates me now, so fuck it
Blood's on my face and my hands
And I don't know why I'm not afraid to cry
But that's none of your business
welcome to my life. performed by slip knot and put to lounge music by Richard Cheese.
For your listening pleasure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqcXgODTeOU
so... here we go again. this was suppose to be a lower middle window repair.
nope
this is fucking criminal....
they bought a repair panel from a member here. it needed FAR more. lets take a look shall we?
removed the window to find this
well i'll be dipped. looks like some body filler
let's cut out a piece shall we?
ooohhh... let's keep going
well, what have we here?
oh, wait...THE FUCKING TOP IS ROTTED TOO
you cock sucker...
body filler in the TOP of the frame
the panel they bought was clearly not enough. out to the back 40 to this gem
and remove this
i ended up blowing it all apart and sand blasted it
after that it got epoxied on the back side
more to come. here is a handy video to express my feelings. not rated G so make sure the kids are out of the room
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it's almost 2 am and i should be playing hide the carrot with mrs skills but here i am.... _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6936 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:51 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Damn, that sucks. The video was good tho!
Keep the pics of the process coming, live to see the transformation. _________________ __________
’71 Westy build
Adventure thread
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22573 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:40 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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The broken rotor has probably 20k miles on it.
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I think that’s why VW says 12k for the service interval’
I run about half of my cars to failure but if you want a reliable ride, stick to the PM schedule , of course. No judgement, each strategy balances different merits _________________ .ssS! |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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inner frame welded in and epoxied
outer frame done
and another colorful video of me and my bad attitude and potty mouth
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6936 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Another quality video!
I wonder what the windshield frame looks like. _________________ __________
’71 Westy build
Adventure thread
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crownline Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2010 Posts: 589 Location: Northwoods of WI
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Mad Skills with that welding nice videos. I was trying to count the f bombs but they were coming to fast sounds like me sometimes. _________________ 1972 Bus 1700 cc Single Carb. But not a progressive.
Barelymuvin
Wish I still had the ones I got rid of.
"It"s got some dings and dents and neither of us is going to SEMA."(Update, I went to SEMA in 2019 but the Bus stayed home)
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orwell84 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2007 Posts: 2528 Location: Plattsburgh, New York
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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That’s nice work. I think I could probably do that but it would take me a long time. If I may ask...How long did that take you? It does me good to see work done right. Holes in the window frames are huge leakers. The water can end up causing rust far away from the actual leak...as you know. These get neglected when a bus gets a new paint job and the rust comes right back.
I wouldn’t be able to find someone to do that kind of work where I live. Luckily I don’t need it. Luckily I knew when I just started learning not to layer metal on metal under filler...especially not in rust prone places.
I also like how you are doing the jobs a little at a time so the bus can stay on the road. It’s expensive work because it’s so many hours of labor. It’s often hard for bus owners to have the money for a full restoration done right. The time is also hard to nail down because it’s easy for a rust spot to become a huge fan of worms. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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thanks guys.
i think if i had a fuckometer out here it would fly by like the numbers on a gas pump
orwell...
the window frame was 35 hours to get it to this point. i suspect another 4-6 hours to be "paint ready" but it will be hard to tell how many hours are spent on the frame because i will be doing the rest of the body work on that panel as well as finalizing the rocker.
so that 4-6 hours will be mixed in with other work if that makes sense.
the whole thing makes me sick. i actually have to (potentially) apologize to Tram. he may or may not have done the spray foam.... so if that's the case i apologize. that doesn't change the fact that he plowed body filler over all of the rust
this is the back side of the rocker. full of bondo worms
whatever. at least they have been fantastic to work with. they are great people so i'm doing my best for them
we decided to just blend in the old body work to the surgery we just did. not 100% correct to do it that way but in an effort to 1) keep the bus moving for this season and 2) not uncover any more secrets it's the best we can do.
they are very understanding and use the hell out of the bus...the were never looking for trailer queen...just a solid driver that looked good. i hate stacking product on top of product like that but it's what we have to do.
they are just happy to have actual metal in there
sad part is this needed rust work from the beginning
they just paved right over the holes
here is the worse part of it... the metal was still pretty solid...20 mins with the welder and grinder and that's all it took to fix the holes
the panel was still very solid. i don't think anyone who worked on the bus had any welding skills...but boy can they frost a cake _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22573 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:50 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Put a dollar in the Phugue Jar for each one. I’ll be round to empty it when I pick up my a$$ kale. Great posts and really reinforcing why restoration estimates are meaningless.
Thanks for saving another one Don. I hope the community realizes that for 35 hours, he could have easily done 17 brake jobs and 34 oil changes at a gross margin of $15000, all while whistling kumbaya... _________________ .ssS! |
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theguyryry Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2021 Posts: 100 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:50 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
inner frame welded in and epoxied
and another colorful video of me and my bad attitude and potty mouth
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I went to watch that expecting to see some welding, but got something even better... lol. |
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