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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22641 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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ZsZ wrote: |
New aftermarket rubber parts are crap nowadays. Sometimes OE too.
I don't know why. |
Good rubber formulation is expensive and is where cheap parts makers cut the corners. The market is stupid enough to think that someone can make a $100 part for $15 because they are on eBay and have some magic angle. _________________ .ssS! |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17118 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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We have an owner running all 4 Tiguan boots. I wanted to see for myself. So far so good. Tiguan and the vanagon have 100 mm cvs. The Tiguan likely has an outer boot similar in design to your front outer boot. That’s why it specifies inner only for the Tiguan. At least I think that. _________________ ☮️ |
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ZsZ Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2010 Posts: 1645 Location: Budapest Hungary, Europe
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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Abscate wrote: |
ZsZ wrote: |
New aftermarket rubber parts are crap nowadays. Sometimes OE too.
I don't know why. |
Good rubber formulation is expensive and is where cheap parts makers cut the corners. The market is stupid enough to think that someone can make a $100 part for $15 because they are on eBay and have some magic angle. |
But big brands with expensive parts like Lobro and Lemforder also has crap rubber. _________________ Zoltan
1.9 MTdi 2wd Multivan (ex Caravelle)
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16503 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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markf1 wrote: |
1) The axles are new EMPI from GoWesty with @1k miles on them, should I be considering / are there better axels from different manufacturer? |
Axles almost never need to be replaced unless they somehow get damaged. The CVs are removed from the stock VW axle and new ones put on. If you have the original axles just reuse those. If not then you can use the EMPI axles but I'd prefer used VW to EMPI if I had a choice. _________________ Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 and Peloquin TBD
"To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive." Robert Louis Stevenson
MD>Canada>AK>WA>OR>CA>AZ>UT>WY>SD
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620646
Building a bus for travel in Europe (euroBus)
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695371
The Western Syncro build
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=746794 |
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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Thanks Dave O. Unfortunately the shop in Grand Junction that put the new axles on threw away the originals that they took off.
I guess we will stick with the EMPI. However if here are any compelling reasons to use better VW OE then now would be the time to do that. _________________ 1986 Westfalia Syncro
2.1 L Waterboxer
Some Westy supported adventure photos:
https://www.openrangeimaging.com/adventure.html |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17118 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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Weddle has the seal and O ring. If it’s the seal, you don’t need the O ring. To replace the O ring, you need to unscrew the side cover and that requires a tool and some attention to detail. It sets backlash and bearing preload. In general, the O ring shouldn’t leak. It should have been renewed when the trans was done. That said, I had a new O ring split. More of that good rubber. The tool is not necessary, but something can be fabricated. Lots of clever tools on the Samba.
You also need to pay attention to the cv flange where the lip seal rides. If there is a groove, it will likely leak again. There is a thread for the speedi-sleeve repair. _________________ ☮️ |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32592 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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The super helpful info keeps coming from you samba folks.
Dave - I will me tion that to the mechanic.
Mark Ward - Do you happen to know the name of the seal and o ring from Weddle? I am having a hard time finding it on their site.
Thanks! _________________ 1986 Westfalia Syncro
2.1 L Waterboxer
Some Westy supported adventure photos:
https://www.openrangeimaging.com/adventure.html |
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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Just talked with Greg aka Mr. GAS who did the transaxle rebuild. He seemed very confident that getting a speedy sleeve National Part #99177 was all that was needed to fix the transaxle leak.
He said that it was very common to have the drivers side leak at that location, which is what we have. He also said he puts speedy sleeves on all his rebuilds now. (not sure why he did not put them on ours?) _________________ 1986 Westfalia Syncro
2.1 L Waterboxer
Some Westy supported adventure photos:
https://www.openrangeimaging.com/adventure.html |
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32592 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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So - Shop cannot fit the new cvs and etc work into their schedule until later in May.
The leak is real slow and small. I cleaned it all off and we will drive to Durango (110 miles) to have the originally scheduled work done later this week. We'll see how much transaxle fluid leaks out along the way.
Mr. GAS thinks it's very unlikely that this would suddenly develop into a big leak such that we burn up the transaxle. (That would be of course unimaginably horrific at this point.) He thinks we are fine to go on a trip 600 miles estimate and get the work done later when the shop can work us in to their schedule.
Meanwhile I have just ordered these parts. It seems like the whole world is on back order for parts of all kinds so I wanted to get them now before they become back ordered.
Here is what I ordered. If anyone can double check that I got this right it would be much appreciated.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/audi-vw-cv-joint-boot-rear-inner-vag-1k0498201
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/porsche-cv-joint-gkn-94433190100
Thanks! _________________ 1986 Westfalia Syncro
2.1 L Waterboxer
Some Westy supported adventure photos:
https://www.openrangeimaging.com/adventure.html
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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djkeev wrote: |
I’m watching your dollar-O-meter spinning like an electric meter during a heat wave in August!!
Dave |
You understand it perfectly and we appreciate that you "know our pain".
Thanks for all of your valuable help and expertise! _________________ 1986 Westfalia Syncro
2.1 L Waterboxer
Some Westy supported adventure photos:
https://www.openrangeimaging.com/adventure.html |
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17118 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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That leak is an annoyance leak and will be fine. Its when it stops leaking you need to be concerned.
There is a cap that will likely be destroyed when the CV drive flange is removed. Part number is 002 517 289A. It needs to be removed to access the circlip that holds the flange to the transaxle. _________________ ☮️ |
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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Thanks Mark Ward. I guess I need 2 of those caps? 1 for each side inner joints.
I have a concern that the cv joints may not fit on the (new) EMPI axles we have on the van. No way to tell in advance and ordering kits with new axles sends an already very pricey situation into a much higher orbit. So..... gonna keep my fingers crossed and try not to worry too much about in advance (not my specialty) _________________ 1986 Westfalia Syncro
2.1 L Waterboxer
Some Westy supported adventure photos:
https://www.openrangeimaging.com/adventure.html
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17118 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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Years ago, I ordered new complete CV shafts from Pelican parts. They were advertised as "New". What showed up were poorly reman'd cv shafts with some aftermarket reman joints. They took them back and complete refund.
Empi has been around since JC Whitney. In other words a long time. I imagine they are originally using stock spline joints. I don't see why they would come up with a proprietary spline, but you never know. I imagine its a safe bet for you that your joints will fit the splines you have.
As far as 944 vs VW thing, vs vanagon, It makes no sense that the 944 CV would be better in a lifted application. The working angles of a 944 are quite a bit less than a stock vanagon or vw thing. But, the internet says these are preferable.
2 plug caps one for each side. _________________ ☮️ |
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joetiger Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5078 Location: denver
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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markf1 wrote: |
The leak is real slow and small. I cleaned it all off and we will drive to Durango (110 miles) to have the originally scheduled work done later this week. We'll see how much transaxle fluid leaks out along the way. |
Hi Mark, I have the same leak on my rebuilt Syncro trans, it's not quite as pronounced as yours but it's on my list to repair it with a Speedy Sleeve. Hell, it's been on my list for two years or so.
Like MarkWard said, it's an annoyance leak so don't sweat it too much. _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'04 GTI 1.8T
'04 Golf R32
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
Available Now! Vanagon to Louisiana--A Two-Lane Reckoning Through Past and Present
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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thank you joetiger. helps me keep it in a realistic perspective. _________________ 1986 Westfalia Syncro
2.1 L Waterboxer
Some Westy supported adventure photos:
https://www.openrangeimaging.com/adventure.html |
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markf1 Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2019 Posts: 286 Location: Telluride, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Leak at Rear CV -Transaxle connection |
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Ho. Lee. Phuq. I am thinking of doing some self harm.
If you have followed the history of this you may understand my extreme frustration.
On excellent advice from you all we just had the practically new empi cv joints and, supposed to be rockford but who knows what boots, already cracking at 3K miles, replaced.
GF drove van to sisters, 2.5 hours, where mechanics are with parts I ordered.
I sent the porsche GKN 944 cv joints:
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/porsche-cv-joint-gkn-94433190100
And the audi boots:
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/audi-vw-cv-joint-boot-rear-inner-vag-1k0498201
I did not realize the cv joints also had boots included. I had told the shop what I was supplying and why but that was a month ago.
So they put in the new cv joints but used the boots that came in the boxes with the cv joints. Not the better, audi boots. Ahhhhhhgh!
So, on their end they did not notice two sets of boots in the box and call to ask.
On my end I did not remind them and more important did not open the cv joint boxes and then find that they came with boots that I would have removed to avoid this hateful drain bamaging outcome.
So, my fault. Thats what I think and how I roll.
Now, I don’t know what we will do. Maybe return the still new audi boots and see how long the boots they put on last before cracking or maybe just pay them to put on the audi boots we still have.
That is my lame, sad and self inflicted tale. _________________ 1986 Westfalia Syncro
2.1 L Waterboxer
Some Westy supported adventure photos:
https://www.openrangeimaging.com/adventure.html |
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