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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:45 pm Post subject: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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I have a 65' that I just installed a 68' speedo/fuel gauge into. I have everything hooked up, the sender (tube style/electric) grounded. It is working. The issue is the gauge only reads half fuel. When I unhook the gauge then ground it, the gauge does read full. When I unhook it moves to empty.
I have done some reading and multiple places list a few different sizes (I wasn't aware of that beforehand). I currently have a 7 1/2 version installed in my car. I have seen a 280mm version and a 310mm.
Any idea what size would be needed in a stock 65' tank?
Thanks ahead of time. |
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AirHead1966 Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2019 Posts: 568 Location: Triad Area NC
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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I am sure there are other ways to do it, but I would do it electronically.
Get a potentiometer (3Watt should be fine).
Cut the wire from the sender and attach it to the Vcc or input of the pot. Connect the other end of the cut wire (that goes to the gauge) to the output of the pot. Ground the ground terminal of the pot.
Fill the tank and slowly adjust the pot until it reads full. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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Is the sender new or an old one?
If new, there has been issues with aftermarket senders not having the same resistance as factory senders.
If the sender is an old unit, it may need to be repaired, here’s a great how-to from the bay window forums...
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Is the sender new or an old one?
If new, there has been issues with aftermarket senders not having the same resistance as factory senders.
If the sender is an old unit, it may need to be repaired, here’s a great how-to from the bay window forums...
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7706426#7706426 |
It is a new sender. I will test it out today and see what happens.
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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AirHead1966 wrote: |
I am sure there are other ways to do it, but I would do it electronically.
Get a potentiometer (3Watt should be fine).
Cut the wire from the sender and attach it to the Vcc or input of the pot. Connect the other end of the cut wire (that goes to the gauge) to the output of the pot. Ground the ground terminal of the pot.
Fill the tank and slowly adjust the pot until it reads full. |
Great idea. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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Take the sender out of the tank...
Use a jumper circuit from the sender mount base to the car ground.. being sure to leave the sender circuit to the gauge attached.
Test the range of gauge readings by sweeping the float arm...
If the gauge reads empty when the float is down and full when the float is up.. the issue is with the tank ground or float arm movement or position in the tank. If the gauge doesn't match float travel.. there is a mismatch between gauge and sender..
The sending unit MUST BE grounded properly. It may be necessary to route an extra ground to the sender base with an eyelet under a sender screw. It is real important to not use the screw insulator on that grounding screw as well.
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HBRag Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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VDO stand is 10-180 Ohm range. There are a bunch of different standards, so the gauge and sender have to match. Are you sure the sender range is correct, and not a GM or Ford standard which may end at 90 Ohms? |
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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VOLKSWAGNUT wrote: |
Take the sender out of the tank...
Use a jumper circuit from the sender mount base to the car ground.. being sure to leave the sender circuit to the gauge attached.
Test the range of gauge readings by sweeping the float arm...
If the gauge reads empty when the float is down and full when the float is up.. the issue is with the tank ground or float arm movement or position in the tank. If the gauge doesn't match float travel.. there is a mismatch between gauge and sender..
The sending unit MUST BE grounded properly. It may be necessary to route an extra ground to the sender base with an eyelet under a sender screw. It is real important to not use the screw insulator on that grounding screw as well.
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Great info. Funny thing is I took out the new tube style sender to compare it to the original float version and it is the correct size (7 1/2 length) as the stock one. When I installed it back in tank it was reading correctly at a full tank. I will run it for a few days and see how it does. If it does act up I will come back and do this test you have recommended.
I have an extra ground already ran from the tank mounting bolt. At that time I removed the bolt insulator like you are recommending to ensure I had a good ground. I then tested it to make sure it was a good ground.
Thanks for the info. |
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Conversion to a electric fuel gauge and sender? |
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HBRag wrote: |
VDO stand is 10-180 Ohm range. There are a bunch of different standards, so the gauge and sender have to match. Are you sure the sender range is correct, and not a GM or Ford standard which may end at 90 Ohms? |
Honestly I am not sure what range this sender is. It is for a Ghia tank, I believe a 67-73 model. It is part number 271919051B. I was trying this style out to stop the floating issue I was having with my previous setup. |
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