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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

Where can a really nice fellow like me get a set of oem valve
Adjustment screws that are in good shape? Much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

swap meets, junk yards, or....

I have had great luck heat treating the tips of new ones. Heat the tip to cherry red and then dunk it in a pail of salted water. Ive got a couple thousand miles on some I did that to. No real wear to the tips or the ends of the valves.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:02 am    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

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I have had great luck heat treating the tips of new ones. Heat the tip to cherry red and then dunk it in a pail of salted water. Ive got a couple thousand miles on some I did that to. No real wear to the tips or the ends of the valves.


If you want your engine to have a long lifespan, PLEASE don't do this. He has totally changed the metallurgy of the adjustment screws from ductile to brittle. The adjustment screws are striking the top of the valves many thousands of times per minute. Just like cam and lifters must share a specific metallurgy relationship, so must the valves and adjustment screws. The adjustment screws are designed to have ductile qualities to absorb these impacts. When heat treated, yes they will be harder, but also far more brittle. I don't like bashing on people, but when something could lead to a catastrophic engine failure, I have to speak up. In a well built engine, nothing should show any signs of wear after just a couple of thousands of miles. I don't build many engines anymore (age), but I still expect around 100k out of them.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

Frodge wrote:
Where can a really nice fellow like me get a set of oem valve
Adjustment screws that are in good shape? Much appreciated.
Frodginald.


I bought a set of three adjustment screws with matching nuts from an Ebay retailer for mine when I needed one. So now I have two spares.

Or https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php...ton=Search

These are 8.0mm x 1.0mm thread by the way.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

Cusser, thank you for the opposing opinion. Time will tell which opinion is correct. I do appreciate what you are saying and applaud that you would say it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

Ugh, I rather agree with the comment above railing against that sort of home grown heat treating. Now, I have gone and refaced adjusters before with a little bit of time on the face of a disc sander (knowing well enough not to make their contact surface flat) but in short enough bursts not to ruin the stock metallurgy.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

personaly I would rather sand pappaer my asss that use oe type adjusters.....but I do understand how some people like that sort of stuff. if I had to use some and knew they were soft I would also heetreet them....and use lashcaps too...loose fitting lash caps not tight ones..and reworked rockers...and...oh never mind.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

This is what I've done.

If you have worn but OEM screws, they should be harden to about a Grade 8 hardness all the way through. If you have a lathe and an OEM screw in decent shape make a tool shaped to that radius (half). Cut the screw tip to that shape on your lathe. When the screw's in the rocker arm and rocking, you can almost judge the radius you need.

If you have a belt sander you can free-hand a pretty good radius if you take your time. Dip the screw frequently in water. Don't let the screw heat discolor.

I once had a set of aftermarket soft mild steel screws. I used some old Kasenit and case hardened the tips. I had mixed results. Wasn't too impressed with the life. (if you find some old Kasenit powder be careful, it's toxic)

The OEM screws are the best. I've re-radiused them several times and I've been using them for years.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

CB Performance has a new set of Rhino adjustment screws with nuts. I don’t know anything about them, but CB has a good reputation, so this set—for $24.00—maybe pretty good.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

goober wrote:
This is what I've done.

If you have worn but OEM screws, they should be harden to about a Grade 8 hardness all the way through.


I'm not going to let this one go. DON'T PLAY DANIEL BOONE, blacksmith with your engine parts. Are the ORIGINAL, OEM adjustment screws grade 8, nope, that's why over time, they mushroom, deform, etc. They were designed to be able to do their job for X amount of time and are considered a throw away part.

Am I just guessing at consequences? No, when I was working on my Masters of Science in Industrial Technology, one of my classes dealt with the properties of metal. In this class we had Rockwell hardness testers to measure the characteristics of metal after heat treating, and we would preform quenching across the range from ice water to hot oil. We also had an electron microscope, so we could see the shifts in carbon and other impurities as we did our experiments.

The bottom line is, that when two pieces of metal are striking themselves, you are not looking for hardness, but durability. If there was 0 valve lash, that would be a whole different story. But even 0.006" in clearance constitutes a strike, and that energy has to be dissipated somehow. When we think we are smarter than the VW engineers, it's time to back off.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
Cusser wrote:
mark tucker wrote:
I would rather sand pappaer my asss

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Valve adjustment screws. Reply with quote

8k on my adjusters now. small amount of polishing has happened to the tips, no sign of wear on the valve tip. I have not had to adjust them at all(I do check the gap at every oil change) They are staying set, not wearing out, not wearing the valve tip and have not chipped or shattered. This motor is a 1500 based mystery motor and I am an old man driver, so the rpms seldom go over 4k.

Sure beats the first set that wore out of adjustment in under 500 miles.

all this being said, I do agree that home metallurgy may not be for everyone. I would also say that for high ramp and high lift cams or high rpms, this may not be a good idea.

bottom line is that its working for me and that's all I know.
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