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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:05 pm    Post subject: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

I’ve been working on this Bug for a while now and I drive it once a week now for just a little bit.
So I’ve done what I believe is a good tune up after she sat for years. Post carburetor rebuilt by me, valves checked & adjusted, timing set ( but not too sure it is set right).
Choke set correctly. I got her cranking up initially very well. Driving through the gears it skips about midway through 2nd & 3 rd then steadies out and excellerates well.
At idle & while adjusting the carburetor, it sounds like I have it right. It got dark so I used a flashlight & I could see the exhaust as well as smell that nasty smell behind the car. Inside of the exhaust pipes are black.
Note that while cold it cranks up easy but aster running & I switch it off it will only crank up again by holding the pedal to the floor while turning it over. Then it starts firing I have to keep it on the floor until it is running (begins like it’s running on 3 cylinders then smoothes out).
I began with both screws at 2 1/2 turns out. I got the idle speed up then adjusted the small screw.
A little frustrating at this point but I’d love some help.
Thanks ahead of time.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

Is your epoxy patch over the rear hole holding up?

I run a 30/31PICT on a DP manifold with an adapter, on my 1600cc engine, runs fine.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:47 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

I saw that on there. I don’t know what it is or why it’s there. Does that answer your question?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

Lots of questions first....

When was the last tune up?

What do the points look like? Or is it electronic ignition now?

How old is the coil and have you tested the spark from it?

What do the cap and rotor look like?

Looks like you have an 009 distributor, but just in case you have it disconnected, does the advance can work and is the points plate action smooth as butter?

How old is the condenser, if still there?

Then, last valve adjustment? Anything odd?

Last compression test?

Clean fuel system? Filter installed?

That should get it going in the right direction!

FYI The epoxy smear over the casting plug hole is to keep the metal plug in place. On many Bugs, a backfire up through the carb, would send this plug off into the abyss known as the engine compartment. Rebuilders started smearing epoxy over the hole back in the mid 80s. It worked and did a great job! But you still have to check for a vacuum leak there! Thus the question asked.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

Thanks, I sprayed carb cleaner all around it and showed no sign if a vacuum leak.
Valves checked & adjusted last week. New plugs, wires & electronic ignition. Removed engine & replaced the rubber seals.
New gas tank & lines, new fuel pump & filters. New coil.
I run regular gas.
I checked today & the small screw is turned out about 1 1/4 turn. The idle speed is good.
Like I said, it cranks up easy the first time but I have to hold the pedal to the floor & hold the ignition until it’s running, but it’s sputtering for a little, then smoothed out.
The exhaust pipes are black.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

glennj3cub wrote:
... new fuel pump

Did you check the fuel pressure at the carb inlet? 2~3psi is all you need. If you get a reading of 5psi+ you could be flooding the fuel bowl. This overflows into the intake making warm starts difficult.


glennj3cub wrote:
The idle speed is good.

Can you be more specific? What is your warmed up idle rpms?
What is your warmed up idle ignition timing?


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Like I said, it cranks up easy the first time but I have to hold the pedal to the floor & hold the ignition until it’s running, but it’s sputtering for a little, then smoothed out.

Again, sounds like the carb is flooding the engine after it is turned OFF.
Run the engine hard (high rpms) and turn it OFF. Quickly remove the top of the carb and check the fuel bowl fuel level. Should be 3/4" from the top of the bowl. Any higher than this and the fuel will dribble into the carb throat when the engine is OFF, flooding it.


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The exhaust pipes are black.

Another sign the engine is running rich.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

Excellent advice. I may have a pressure regulator (I don’t have anything to actually measure it).
Would too much pressure cause it to run rich? I guess it would🤨😜!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

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Excellent advice. I may have a pressure regulator (I don’t have anything to actually measure it).
Would too much pressure cause it to run rich? I guess it would🤨😜!


YES! It can overwhelm the needle valve. Easily!

But not very common on stock set ups. I would be looking at a sinking float (very common) or no shim at the needle valve ( very common) or a bad needle valve assembly.

After installing the needle valve, with the correct shim. I flip the top over into a normally level position in my hands and with a tiny bit of air from, into the fuel inlet, see if it will seal correctly when lifting the valve. Make sense? That test has saved my ass hundreds of times!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

I put the pressure regulator on at 2 lbs. it now cranks up the 2nd time after running!it still sputters a little at higher RPM. Maybe it needs new plugs after running rich??
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

just a tought: put back the points and see how it goes.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

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just a tought: put back the points and see how it goes.


I agree. You need to rule one of the systems out.


Regarding the mixture screw at 1-1/4 turns out. This seems wayyyyy too lean. I have always started them, after a rebuild, at 3 1/2 turns out. Only a few ended up leaner. Most ended up a tad richer. You could always try a half a turn for a few complete turns and see if it makes a difference.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

Yes I thought that should be lean too.
It’s never had points (since I’ve had it).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

I got a tachometer in today. It’s idling at 1000. So now I can do a better job of setting the carburetor. It drops a beat often so it’s not steady regular. I pulled 2 plugs (they are virtually new) they were dark like (rich) so I brushed them clean. Need to do the other 2.
What name brand plugs do you like best?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

Run the engine for a while to get it warmed up then rev it and hold at high rpms for a bit to force the fuel pump to put out max pressure/volume.
Shut the engine off without letting it idle.
Remove the top of the carb (5 screws) being careful not to rip the gasket.
Check the fuel level in the bowl. If the float and inlet valve were doing their job the level should be 3/4" from the top. Any higher in the bowl and fuel could start to flow out the venturi and down the carb as raw fuel. This would flood the engine and make it run rich.
If needed, add gaskets between the inlet valve and the top cover to make the valve close earlier (lower the fuel level). You do not want it higher than 3/4" and not much lower as this could starve the engine of fuel at higher rpms.
Too much fuel pressure results in the same thing with the inlet valve being unable to stop the fuel flow.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

glennj3cub wrote:
I got a tachometer in today. It’s idling at 1000. So now I can do a better job of setting the carburetor. It drops a beat often so it’s not steady regular. I pulled 2 plugs (they are virtually new) they were dark like (rich) so I brushed them clean. Need to do the other 2.
What name brand plugs do you like best?


I like Bosch, but good luck with getting the good ones! So, now it is NGK.

Go through Ashman’s suggestion. Excellent points being made and good knowledge to be obtained. You also will be able to eliminate the float if the level is where it should be!

Have you checked spark quality with a spark checker. I have been fooled several times into thinking a car was running rich and really it was weak spark! Just plugging that again, because it is easy to check!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

Thanks Ashman, I put a pressure regulator on last week, that seems to have fixed the rich problem!
I’ll put it at 850 to 900 rpm!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

glennj3cub wrote:
Thanks Ashman, I put a pressure regulator on last week, that seems to have fixed the rich problem!
I’ll put it at 850 to 900 rpm!

Curious, what regulator did you use and can you post a picture of how you set it up? A regulator would go between the tank and the pump, or between the pump and the carb inlet?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

It’s an MR Gasket regulator. Set at 2.
I’ve been trying to set the carburetor & I checked the timing. The distributor was loose & had slipped some. I think it’s correct now. I’ll post a video of it if I can.
Also it is not steady like it hits a skip.
After turning it off it won’t crank up. I looked inside the carburetor throat & it’s steady pumping gas into the throat (engine off).
I’m now removing the upper portion of the carb to look at it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

The float chamber has fuel in it but is low. I poured some gas into the float chamber. The float floats but fuel is pumping into the throat until the float chamber is low!
Weird!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 73 Super Beetle, Solex carburetor adjustment Reply with quote

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The float chamber has fuel in it but is low. I poured some
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Did you measure the level of the fuel from the top of the bowl? You say low, but how much lower than 3/4" from the top was it?


Your float retaining clip (yellow) is installed backwards. This usually causes a problem as the float can no longer rise up far enough to fully close the inlet valve.
Borrowing a pic of the proper float clip install from the gallery:
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Remove the yellow clip in your pic and install it with the bow towards the front of the car like the example pic above.

One thing to also note from the gallery pic above... the float in the pic is full of gas. This is a bad float. Once fuel can leak into the float it needs to be replaced. Does your float have any gas in it? Shake it to check if you cannot see thru the sides.
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