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dolppl Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2021 Posts: 48 Location: Hamburg, NY
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:05 am Post subject: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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I hope I am doing this right. First post.
I am rewiring my '69 Beetle and everything I am finding is showing the Master Cylinder as having 2 ports with 3 wires going to each. My master cylinder has 3 different ports with 2 wires going to each. See picture if I attached it properly. My wiring bundle I am using (from JBugs) has 3 bundles. 2 with a black and a black and red wire and 1 with a blue and red. The diagram shows the black and black and red wires going to each side and the blue going to one side and the red to the other. Not sure how to wire it up when it is split into 3.
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dolppl Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2021 Posts: 48 Location: Hamburg, NY
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:19 am Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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nevermind I found a video showing the correct wiring. |
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mclumber1 Samba Member
Joined: June 22, 2008 Posts: 313 Location: Henderson, NV
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:33 am Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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Out of curiosity, is your master cylinder stock? I don't remember my 69 having 3 spots to hook up wires, and my 68 only has 2. _________________ 1968 Beetle |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:34 am Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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That's the early style dual-piston MC used from '67-'69. It had three switches.
For wiring, reference the following wiring diagram:
You can see the two (2) MC switches (J3) and the brake warning switch (J6) just below the left headlight.
The main difference with the above diagram and the earlier '68-'69 wiring diagram is the flasher relay (J or J1) and E-Flasher switch (G1). Early relay was 7 or 9-prong. Later relay was 4-prong. _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:41 am Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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mclumber1 wrote: |
Out of curiosity, is your master cylinder stock? I don't remember my 69 having 3 spots to hook up wires, and my 68 only has 2. |
The later 2-switch MCs are replacements for the early 3-switch MCs. If your '68 has ever had the MC replaced it was upgraded/rewired to the 2-switch setup.
The only time you see that early style MC is if the car still has the original MC or if someone is building a 100% restored '67/'68. They would want to re-sleeve the original MC rather than replace them with a non-original part. _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31379 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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Obviously your inlet hoses are leaky, and maybe not the correct kind for brake fluid. Hopefully, that's the only reason the master cylinder is crud from leakage. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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dolppl Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2021 Posts: 48 Location: Hamburg, NY
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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So turns out the wiring diagram/video i found out was also slightly different than mine. The one i found had the 3rd switch at the very end of the MC in line with it not perpendicular like the other 2.
Am I safe to assume for this unit the brake warning switch (J6) in that diagram is the middle switch and should be wired as such?
Side note - Picture was taken before i cleaned the MC up the picture made it look worse than it really is. |
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johneliot Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2005 Posts: 2189 Location: Chico, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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Yes, you are correct on the middle switch. _________________ John
There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress.
Mark Twain
69 bug - "The Grey Ghost" |
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dolppl Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2021 Posts: 48 Location: Hamburg, NY
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:18 am Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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Excellent.
Next question: The wire going from the transmission reverse light switch that goes to the coil, the diagram i have shows an inline fuse holder. (Looks like S1 in the diagram a few posts before this one). Which inline fuse holder do i use and what fuse do i put in it. Not familiar with that and it didn't come with my kit.
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jetmech Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2019 Posts: 135 Location: Hamilton ON, Canada
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:58 am Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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the inline fuse to use would be a glass style fuse about a 5 amp would work its just needed for the backup lights. So it would go from the + side of the coil through the fuse to the trans switch then to the backup lights. _________________ 74' Super Beetle |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:15 am Post subject: Re: 1969 Master Cylinder Wiring |
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dolppl wrote: |
Next question: The wire going from the transmission reverse light switch that goes to the coil, the diagram i have shows an inline fuse holder. (Looks like S1 in the diagram a few posts before this one). Which inline fuse holder do i use and what fuse do i put in it. Not familiar with that and it didn't come with my kit. |
Not sure what "kit" you are referring to? '67-later Beetles all came with the fuse holder and wiring.
Here is the OE fuse holder:
It uses the same 8A (white) GBC type fuse in the fuse box. If you can't find an OE fuse holder there are aftermarket ones that still use the GBC type fuses:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2203152
Having a fuse holder that uses the same type fuses as in the fuse box is convenient, but not required.
You can use any type of automotive 12v fuse holder if you are not concerned with originality. The fuse needs to power the two (2) 25W reverse lamps. This can be done easily with a 5A or 7.5A fuse.
_________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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