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camino70 Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2020 Posts: 156 Location: Canton, Georgia
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:15 am Post subject: 1974 914 Intro |
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Hi all,
I am relatively new to aircooled and have been spending time in the bay window forum.
I acquired a 74 bus with a 74 914 engine on a pallet and have since seized the crank:
Edit, I meant this image:
Any thoughts on what happened? Seems like oil was restricted to two rods, but not the other two.
I'm still having problems completely separating the case due to the crank not spinning/piston pins not being accessible.
This past weekend I picked up a 1974 914 a few hours south of me, looks like fun and I was preliminarily excited to work on it/drive it, but I think she's a little too far gone.
_________________ Ron
1974 Westfalia
Goal: get the 914 1.7 running |
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typ914 Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2012 Posts: 230 Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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Hi and welcome to 914s. I am just down the road from Canton. I can’t tell how bad your 914 is from the pictures but it could be by the looks of the repairs. I would be happy to come by and take a look at it. |
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camino70 Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2020 Posts: 156 Location: Canton, Georgia
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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I would love an extra set of eyes on her.
I’m not the best photographer and did a poor job capturing what I was trying to convey. The rot is like a square underneath, the paint missing at the pillars seems to be from lack of structural integrity from the rot. It’s like you can move the body side to side. _________________ Ron
1974 Westfalia
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21518 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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camino70 wrote: |
Hi all,
I am relatively new to aircooled and have been spending time in the bay window forum.
I acquired a 74 bus with a 74 914 engine on a pallet and have since seized the crank:
Edit, I meant this image:
Any thoughts on what happened? Seems like oil was restricted to two rods, but not the other two.
I'm still having problems completely separating the case due to the crank not spinning/piston pins not being accessible.
This past weekend I picked up a 1974 914 a few hours south of me, looks like fun and I was preliminarily excited to work on it/drive it, but I think she's a little too far gone.
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A, How do you know its a 914 engine? please take a picture of the serial number on the case and a couple of details. If its 914 spec and not a 2.0L...it could just as easily be from a 411 or 412.
B. With current pricing and availability of 914's....I would not consider anything too far gone...perhaps more expensive than you can afford ....but not often is it too far gone.
I would take one of these guys up on an inspection. Ray |
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camino70 Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2020 Posts: 156 Location: Canton, Georgia
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:13 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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Thanks Ray,
What do you mean “914 spec and not 2.0L”, can’t it be a 914 2.0? What other details would be pertinent?
Case number GA008794:
Windage tray (I thought was Porsche specific):
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3 bolt heads:
_________________ Ron
1974 Westfalia
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21518 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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camino70 wrote: |
Thanks Ray,
What do you mean “914 spec and not 2.0L”, can’t it be a 914 2.0? What other details would be pertinent?
Case number GA008794:
Windage tray (I thought was Porsche specific):
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3 bolt heads:
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Your first comment was simply that it was a 914 engine .You did not say what size! ...my point was...if its not a 2.0L...it could just as easily be from a 411 or 412 if its a 1.7L or 1.8L.
But....the GA series....and the three bolt head....marks it as a 2.0L from a 914.
And....the windage tray is NOT Porsche specific. Neither is the type 4 engine for that matter.
All VW 411 and 412 cars with 1.7L from at least 1968 to 1972 and into early 1973 came with the windage tray. I am not positive at this point how many of the 412 1.8L engines came with the windage tray but I have found some.
You have to remember that the 411 and 412 cars came before the 914 existed...and more of them were made. The only engine unique to the 914...is the 914 specific 2.0L engine....and the only unique parts were the heads, pistons the upper sheet metal and the center intake manifold.
It appears that you have the good stuff! Ray |
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camino70 Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2020 Posts: 156 Location: Canton, Georgia
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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The good stuff is what came with the bus and now seized. I’m still putzing around with it.
I was able to drop the engine and transmission, I don’t think this is original to the 914, EA083318 - 1.7?
_________________ Ron
1974 Westfalia
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21518 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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Yes..... ....actually EA engine case series is original to the 914.....and the 411 and 412
BUT.....the fact that your EA series engine......has its serial number on that angled pad near the bell housing.....means that it IS a 914 specific 1.7L engine case.
Here is the gist......a 1.7L type 4 engine came in three vehicles.
1. It first came in the VW VW411 in 1968. And.....the serial number would be on the fan end of the engine at the base of the square oil breather tower. By 1969 or 70...it came fuel injected. Same engine continued through 1973.
This engine was 100% identical to that which came in 1969 Porsche 914. Same parts, same hp, same assembly line.
2. Next It came in the 1969 Porsche 914....and ran to 1973.....then it got the same 1.8L ....identical in every way... to what the 412 got. All of these had the same engine case series as the 411 and 412....but because the engine was mounted backwards in the 914 (mid engined).....the cases were sdrial nunbered near the bell housing like yours is.
3. The 1972/73 VW bus came with a de-tuned, twin carb,1.7L......serial number on the fan end near the oil breather just like the 411/412....but ai dont think it ever used EA series.
So....yes.....you do have a Porsche 914 specific 1.7L engine case. Ray |
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camino70 Samba Member
Joined: September 13, 2020 Posts: 156 Location: Canton, Georgia
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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Thank you Ray, the information is appreciated!
I can’t seem to find the right websites to search.
Anything worth noting with the transmission? 914.301.101.00
_________________ Ron
1974 Westfalia
Goal: get the 914 1.7 running |
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Wolfgangdieter Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2008 Posts: 1958 Location: FL Panhandle
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 8:50 am Post subject: Re: 1974 914 Intro |
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914's came with 2 versions of the Porsche 901 5 speed transaxle. The early 914's had a tail shift transaxle up thru 1972. In 1973 up they went to a side shifter transaxle. The tail piece changed as well as the shifter linkage and motor mount bar. The new transaxle was more precise than the earlier one, Many swap the newer bits into the older cars. Same ratios in all (save the rare 914/6). _________________ CMC '57 Porsche Speedster Replica and Dolphin boat tailed full pan VW MOD-T Street Buggy |
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