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moogie32 Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2005 Posts: 663 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:37 am Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Looking good, Marc! I agree about silver being correct. Always good to have functional wipers - I have been caught in unexpected showers several times and you thank your lucky stars you have them when you need them! _________________ RIP HBB (1984-2009)
Du liefst so gut
Du warst so schön
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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moogie32 wrote: |
Looking good, Marc! I agree about silver being correct. Always good to have functional wipers - I have been caught in unexpected showers several times and you thank your lucky stars you have them when you need them! |
Sooner or later, I'm sure I will get caught in the rain as well!! Hopefully there will be an underpass near by or maybe someone will have left
their empty garage door open for me to pull in!! _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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rbsurfguy Samba Member
Joined: August 10, 2008 Posts: 1757 Location: Fairfax, Northern Virginia Formerly Huntington Beach, SoCal
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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I just drive faster so the rain will blow past! Always works until some dumbass slowpoke works their way in front of me or I catch that light with just 1 car waiting on the opposite side!!!
Jeff _________________ 1971 Ghia convertible (Body off rebuild)
2019 VW Atlas 4Motion
2012 Passat-Sold
See my build on The Samba at:
Jeff's 71 Vert Restoration/Reassembly http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6...highlight= |
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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One more item checked off the list. After a lot of trial and error, I finally have the Fresh Air Grills mounted with seals. When I bought the car, it came with the grills mounted but the new reproduction seals were in a box of parts. As many people have posted about, these seals are a pain to install. The main problem in my case was due to the seals being made from such a hard rubber that they are not able to compress and fit properly between the opening in the car and the grill. After some trimming of the seals, the job got done. Here's a link with the details.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9618506#9618506
_________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Rome posted about using socks on the bumper blades to protect the paint. What a great idea. So simple but I would never have thought of it.
Oops!! I guess I got carried away!!
Bumper installation, like most everything, took longer than expected. First try looked great except for the right side bumper
bracket cover was touching the rear apron before the bumper was completely in place. Took it out 3 times before
I was satisfied with it.
Good thing I had the socks on it. Thank you Rome.
Can't beat a nice chrome bumper. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9603 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Looks like you nailed it, Marc! |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Rome wrote: |
Looks like you nailed it, Marc! |
Thank you Rome. Your advice was very helpful and very appreciated. It's not perfect, but it's a whole lot better than it was. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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c21darrel wrote: |
Did you use the body to bumper cover seals? Didnt see them on 1st pic.
Looking good!! |
Ha! That's the only part that beat me. If there's a trick to this I failed to figure it out. I was counting on the covers sliding separately from the brackets for this purpose but with the bumper brackets as far back as possible, the covers were still too close to the rear apron and they were slid back as far as they can go. When I tried to put them on, it seemed like I just didn't have enough fingers to keep them in place while moving the bumper around. One thing that complicated things for me was that the bracket cover seal rests against the rear apron on one side but the other side has to go up against the rubber grommet for the bumper bracket hole. I think I'm going to look for some rubber U channel.
The car was in pieces for over 10 years so I wonder if I have all the original parts. For 71, I think the covers should have had 1 bolt but these have 2. So maybe the brackets and covers are far a different year??
Am I missing something? _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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Ian Godfrey Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2006 Posts: 1135 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:43 am Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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my car was a 'bitzer'. I ended up sanding the covers on the belt sander until they conformed with the body better, then gluing the little seal on with super glue to keep it in place.
I got the bumper fitted up nicely, then took it out again, added the covers with their seals and refitted it. Very time consuming |
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:43 am Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Ian Godfrey wrote: |
my car was a 'bitzer'. I ended up sanding the covers on the belt sander until they conformed with the body better, then gluing the little seal on with super glue to keep it in place.
I got the bumper fitted up nicely, then took it out again, added the covers with their seals and refitted it. Very time consuming |
That pretty much describes my day. I used my grinder to shorten one of the covers and then touched up the paint before final install. I'm quite certain these bracket covers are not for this specific model year.
When the car arrived from Richard Troy, the bumpers were installed but like most of the car, everything was loose. I had well documented removal of everything on the car and as it turns out, he had the painted bumper guard supports swapped. So the first try failed due to that. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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crocteau Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005 Posts: 1203 Location: Philaburbia
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:25 am Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Marcdeb wrote: |
For 71, I think the covers should have had 1 bolt but these have 2. |
Marc, FWIW the original bumper bracket covers on my '71 are held in place by a single bolt (if you squint you can just make it out in the photo below). IIRC the bumper bracket has two holes near one another, and my bracket cover has a detent that aids in alignment via the second hole. As you have a real knack for compiling illustrated how-to descriptions, I wonder if you've considered creating a sticky compendium of the Ghia-specific assembly hurdles that challenge many of us first-timers, you know, the seemingly small jobs that somehow require an inordinate amount of patience, e.g., in no particular order: front grill seals, headlight ring seals, bumper bracket cover seals, petrol filler cover release repair, door glass r&r... to name a few of my favorites
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:57 am Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Hi Charlie,
Your post and your picture really helped. It reminded me that I have an extra bracket cover that came off another 71 Ghia. It's really ratty and I don't have a pair, but I dug it out and it is exactly like yours. I compared it to what came with the car and they are very different. The 71 covers are wider and taller to allow the seal to go around the grommet. Other than having an extra screw, it didn't dawn on me at all that the actual cover would be totally different. For a car that is hailed as basically not changing much over a 20 year run, there certainly is a lot of changes!
I like the idea of test fitting just the bracket and cover, like in your photo. That seems like a good way to fit things one step at a time. For now the covers I have look ok, but I've already got a lead on a set of correct covers.
Creating one compendium sticky would be helpful for sure. Not sure how to go about that, but I still have a lot more "problems" to sort out! It seems like I took the car apart in a couple of days, but putting it back together "correctly" is much more time consuming, but also fun and rewarding!
As always, you are a wealth of helpful information.
Thank you. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Marcdeb wrote: |
c21darrel wrote: |
Did you use the body to bumper cover seals? Didnt see them on 1st pic.
Looking good!! |
Ha! That's the only part that beat me. If there's a trick to this I failed to figure it out. I was counting on the covers sliding separately from the brackets for this purpose but with the bumper brackets as far back as possible, the covers were still too close to the rear apron and they were slid back as far as they can go. When I tried to put them on, it seemed like I just didn't have enough fingers to keep them in place while moving the bumper around. One thing that complicated things for me was that the bracket cover seal rests against the rear apron on one side but the other side has to go up against the rubber grommet for the bumper bracket hole. I think I'm going to look for some rubber U channel.
The car was in pieces for over 10 years so I wonder if I have all the original parts. For 71, I think the covers should have had 1 bolt but these have 2. So maybe the brackets and covers are far a different year??
Am I missing something? |
Im not sure which brackets are correct, all are pretty close and i dont think anyone will know. 50-60 year old cars sometimes you have to "make adjustments" which you have been doing well since the start. For the body to bracket seal (dont tell anyone but...) I used small black tubing (for watering drip systems). I used a razor blade and cut a slit the entire length. Then slide the tubing on the bracket and fit to car. No one has ever noticed in 7 years. I also did not use the rubber hole cover.
_________________ GhiaBuild
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=481184
1967 DC build
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=693583&highlight=67+dc
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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c21darrel wrote: |
Marcdeb wrote: |
c21darrel wrote: |
Did you use the body to bumper cover seals? Didnt see them on 1st pic.
Looking good!! |
Ha! That's the only part that beat me. If there's a trick to this I failed to figure it out. I was counting on the covers sliding separately from the brackets for this purpose but with the bumper brackets as far back as possible, the covers were still too close to the rear apron and they were slid back as far as they can go. When I tried to put them on, it seemed like I just didn't have enough fingers to keep them in place while moving the bumper around. One thing that complicated things for me was that the bracket cover seal rests against the rear apron on one side but the other side has to go up against the rubber grommet for the bumper bracket hole. I think I'm going to look for some rubber U channel.
The car was in pieces for over 10 years so I wonder if I have all the original parts. For 71, I think the covers should have had 1 bolt but these have 2. So maybe the brackets and covers are far a different year??
Am I missing something? |
Im not sure which brackets are correct, all are pretty close and i dont think anyone will know. 50-60 year old cars sometimes you have to "make adjustments" which you have been doing well since the start. For the body to bracket seal (dont tell anyone but...) I used small black tubing (for watering drip systems). I used a razor blade and cut a slit the entire length. Then slide the tubing on the bracket and fit to car. No one has ever noticed in 7 years. I also did not use the rubber hole cover.
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I like your black tubing idea. Simple. Some of the seals seem much more complicated than necessary.
I have a set of correct covers on the way. For now the existing covers will stay until the correct ones are stripped and painted. I think I will try your black tubing idea. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:04 am Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Need Assistance:
Since my Rear Bumper Bracket Covers were wrong for a 71, I am suspicious that the Bumper Guard Support tubes are also wrong. Does anyone know if they were made in different lengths for different years.
These appear to be too short. I have them as tight as I dare to go, They will not snug up to the apron. I suspect the previous owner bent them to make them work. They are curved at the bottom rather than bent at the correct angle. The top of the flat portion is not even close to reaching the apron.
I've looked at pictures of these and the bottom flat section is always flat not curved like mine, and the angle of the bend does not match up to the apron. I measured 120mm along the the side of the tube from where it's welded to the top tube, down to the highest point of the side of the flat section (see drawing below). Can someone verify this measurement? I think these look to be about 6 to 10 mm too short, or maybe I'm doing something wrong?
In the classifieds, there are plenty for sale but there's never a part number or measurement stated. If I'm going to order some replacements, I want to make sure I'm getting the right part.
_________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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carlk3 Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2009 Posts: 201 Location: Longmont, CO
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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Marcdeb wrote: |
Need Assistance:
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In the classifieds, there are plenty for sale but there's never a part number or measurement stated. If I'm going to order some replacements, I want to make sure I'm getting the right part.
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Mine appear to be about the same length:
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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carlk3 wrote: |
Marcdeb wrote: |
Need Assistance:
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In the classifieds, there are plenty for sale but there's never a part number or measurement stated. If I'm going to order some replacements, I want to make sure I'm getting the right part.
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Mine appear to be about the same length:
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And do you know what year car these came from?
So now I'm realizing my bumper is not pushed in far enough. Again, probably due to the wrong bracket covers. The slotted holes holes in the brackets have plenty of forward movement left but I think what the issue is that these incorrect bracket covers are preventing the bumper from going further in.
Thank you for posting the picture. Very helpful. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3010 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: O Ghia's Restoration Journey |
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c21darrel wrote: |
Here is another handful i had sitting around. They are all the same, just left and right. I have made left ones work on the right , bent ends to fit the car i was working on too. lengthened the slot to make them fit ...
Looks like if you bend your end a tad more she may fit?
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That's quite a collection. I remembered yesterday that I had at least one of these supports in a box of parts from another 71 convertible. I checked and I actually have the set. I was able to compare them to what is on the car and they are the same. The ones I have will work once I can install the correct bracket covers. The correct covers will allow the bumper to move a bit closer to the car.
Thank you for the information. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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