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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 10697 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:29 pm Post subject: Fender Beading Color |
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When these cars were new were the fender beading colored to match the paint?
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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Yep! Some are occasionally selling NOS parts in the classifieds, not always complete sets. Some buy new black and use a paint mixed with a urethane or other flex-enhancing material. Black is not original but still looks good with many colors, since the window rubber and lamp seals match it.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php...ton=Search |
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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 10697 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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Thanks! I'll have a talk with the local automotive paint guy.
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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Max Welton wrote: |
Thanks! I'll have a talk with the local automotive paint guy.
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From what I understand, painting is tricky, if you want to be able to remove fenders later. I think some have loosely installed it, masking off the metal panels... spray, let fully cure, carefully remove without bending (lots of friends needed?), and then paint the car. Assemble with some release (talc?) so they don't stick to the fender when removed later.
I'm sure others who have actually done this will chime in.
Again, black looks great with light blue, white and bright oranges and yellows even. |
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eyetzr Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2013 Posts: 1423 Location: Toronto, Ontario. Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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Try to gather NOS stuff. I painted all the ones I found here. Nothing matched. Clean really well soap and water, wipe with wax and grease remover, apply adhesion promoter, paint with plastic paint or regular paint with flex agent. This process will work for NOS or repainting the existing. Let some pictures. _________________ I think he meant "rare", as in "not well-done" |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7527 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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Don't be misled with "NOS fender beading" being sold by a "DannyZ".
You won't be happy with the way that turns out.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13843 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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When you come across some in Kansas Beige contact me. Is there a need for it yes wonder whom would produce it. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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lawn ninja Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2006 Posts: 1009 Location: Round Rock, TX
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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I'd be willing to bet if the right person asked you could maybe get Wolfsburg West to produce it. At least do it for another company. You can already get a few different colors from them now. Also Bob Koch has it in different colors IIRC.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111821707BGB _________________ Jason
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4164 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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Type 3 beading has tons of contousr and cut outs. I doubt they will make it. What aboiut ISP? _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
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lawn ninja Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2006 Posts: 1009 Location: Round Rock, TX
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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ALLWAGONS wrote: |
Type 3 beading has tons of contousr and cut outs. I doubt they will make it. What aboiut ISP? |
It is hard or is it soft? I would think the biggest thing would be length. Seems as though they already sell the colored bug kits and do a kit in black for the notch and one for the square. _________________ Jason
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squaretobehip Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 3670 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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lawn ninja wrote: |
ALLWAGONS wrote: |
Type 3 beading has tons of contousr and cut outs. I doubt they will make it. What aboiut ISP? |
It is hard or is it soft? I would think the biggest thing would be length. ISP should jump on board or figure out who manufactures that for them and then just do type 3 lengths and cuts. |
Type 3 uses 3 profiles:
- L-Shape (rear fenders)
- T-Shape (aprons/cowl/top of front fenders)
- Round/Bulb Shape (Beetle beading used in the frunk area)
Wolfsburg West is not going to make Type 3 beading. ISP makes the (2) needed Type 3 profiles.
Black goes with everything as noted above. There is not a big enough market for colored Type 3 fender beading, unfortunately. Can't and won't tool up for 3000+ feet of Kansas Beige beading. _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
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lawn ninja Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2006 Posts: 1009 Location: Round Rock, TX
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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Thanks for the clarification. _________________ Jason
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Tvättbjörn Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2004 Posts: 1431 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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gt1953 wrote: |
When you come across some in Kansas Beige contact me. Is there a need for it yes wonder whom would produce it. |
I had beige and other light color ( NOS nice and soft ) beading listed for several years at a good price. Now I only have a black beading left. It is a really hard-to-sell item.
I doubt that any company will spend thousands to have any factory-like one piece units made. Most people do not like to spend more than a few bucks on it. Those beading were expensive at the VW dealer back in days already. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22358 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Max Welton Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2003 Posts: 10697 Location: Black Forest, CO
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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Or any car I would think.
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GearheadJim Samba Member
Joined: April 10, 2003 Posts: 176 Location: Columbus Ohio
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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I've hit the stage of my project where it's about time to put the fenders back on so I'm working to source the beading. A VW fender bead suggestion I had seen was to have an upholsterer make the beading with piping and marine grade vinyl which helps with the color availability issue. However, reading through this post I have learned there are multiple profiles on the Type 3 beading so I think the custom made is now out of the running. Painting the beading as discussed in various posts seems like it could easily have hit or miss results so I'm thinking leaving it black might be best. Any chance someone has a picture of a white Type 3 with black fender beading? _________________ Drive 'em!
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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I imagine it would look sharp. Like I posted above, with the black window and lamp seals being black, it sort of blends in, unless you knew they came color-coded new.
Painting can work, but it will bond to the body paint and make later removal a PITA that could snowball into a paint job!
I would recommend black unless you are seeking a proper restoration. And if, down the road, the mythical correct NOS beading comes along, it's a bolt-on upgrade.
I found this on the web. The black shows along the top of the rear fender, and at the bottom corners of the windshield, and along the front and rear body aprons. Pretty non-attention-getting.
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squaretobehip Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 3670 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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KTPhil wrote: |
I imagine it would look sharp. Like I posted above, with the black window and lamp seals being black, it sort of blends in, unless you knew they came color-coded new.
Painting can work, but it will bond to the body paint and make later removal a PITA that could snowball into a paint job!
I would recommend black unless you are seeking a proper restoration. And if, down the road, the mythical correct NOS beading comes along, it's a bolt-on upgrade.
I found this on the web/ The black shows along the top of the rear fender, and at the bottom corners of the windshield.
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Agreed with Phil. If you do decide to paint it, you can use this for the frunk and trunk. Maybe use it for a paint match to the "T" and "L" beading.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111821707BWH
But black really does go with everything. _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
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ibjack Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2002 Posts: 2105 Location: Imperial Beach CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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I had great luck painting a piece of beading with single stage mixed with MEK. You can also get custom matched SEM vinyl paint at a local paint store. I like all my beading to match my cars. _________________ '68 Lotus White T34 automatic sunroof
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Ossipon Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2021 Posts: 471 Location: KS
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Fender Beading Color |
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I tried to use vinyl dye on beading. Similar to vinyl paint, it is supposed to permeate the vinyl. In my opinion, do not bother unless you really know how to mix color on the fly and then be able to repeat the result. It works, but the color will be off.
https://www.amazon.com/Coconix-Vinyl-Leather-Repair-Kit/dp/B07JC7SFNS _________________ Ossipon
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