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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:26 pm    Post subject: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

Howdy, just drained my tank on my 67 Westy. The plan is to make it as correct as I can fuel line-wise from tank to fuel pump and then up to the carb.

The fuel line today was a german style cloth-covered hose all the way from tank to fuel pump and to carb.

On mine, the fuel filer is not in the engine bay. I have it under the tank about 1' along the path of the line. That is where it will stay.

I have a new cloth fuel line BUT as I read, appears a metal fuel line may have been stock even on a 67 inside the engine bay?

My rubber grommet is missing on the tin as the previous owner just ran the fuel line through the hole. No protection from rubbing.

So today normal fuel line from tank to fuel filter, fuel filter to and thru hole in the tin, and is held onto the side of the engine with a hose clamp (I can get a picture if needed so no idea if this is stock or not location that held the line before) holding the fuel line in place, over to fuel pump. Then fuel line from fuel pump to carb.

I see I can by these at WW.

Metal Fuel Line
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113127521G

Fuel Line Grommet
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111127591

Would these be semi correct to use?

I can't find any pictures that show the full line from tank to the carb so guessing here but do I still use cloth fuel line from my tank to (in my case fuel filter under the bus) the fuel filter, then over to new metal line that goes through the engine tin (as well as add the grommet to the hole too), then small cloth line from metal tube to fuel pump, and then how about from fuel pump to carb. Is that cloth fuel line or is there also a metal one I supposed to use?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

This is what was original.
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With this clamp.
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And this clamp.
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But this is how I do mine now as it makes it easier to remove the pump and cuts down on vibration.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

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This is what was original.


Are you using any metal lines now? All I see is german style fuel hose now from at least the pictures.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

BarryL.....what's the hose clamp holding ?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

I did find this picture. Looks like metal fuel line, maybe like the one from WW I linked to, then a small section of German fuel hose connects the metal fuel line to the fuel pump. Then all German fuel hose from pump to carb.

Guess I will mimic this for now and order the metal fuel line and grommet from WW and I already have new German fuel hose along with small size hose clamps so will go this route.

As noted before, I do have a small bracket in place that the fuel hose was going through as it goes along the engine side so maybe a small it of hose over the metal line right near that bracket will hold it snug to side of the engine too.

Also guessing the German fuel house surrounding the metal fuel line along the path was used where the metal line seems to be very near the engine. Maybe to keep it form rubbing? Just slipped it over so the line does nor rub behind that exhaust hose.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

Hi Amishman nice to see you posting. I remember that line for my 67 too. I'm glad I was informed on the correct orientation.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

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Hi Amishman nice to see you posting. I remember that line for my 67 too. I'm glad I was informed on the correct orientation.

Wow 10 years ago:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...;start=560


Thanks LAGrunthaner! I did find your pictures last night but had not found yet your thread so was most helpful to read this AM.

Ordering parts soon.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

amishman wrote:
Are you using any metal lines now? All I see is german style fuel hose now from at least the pictures.

The second and third photo show the metal line. A three inch section of hose connects the pipe to the pump inlet pipe. I leave about 1/2 to 1 inch gap at the pipe-to-pipe hose at the fuel pump connection in the fourth photo.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

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BarryL.....what's the hose clamp holding ?

I put those over the pivot pin when the pump comes with a press fit and I'm too lazy to put a pivot pin with circlips in exchange.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

Might want to rethink the cloth covered hose if you do not know if it's rated for ethanol blended fuels. Your bus will look cooler going down the road with the correctly rated hose than on fire with incorrectly rated hose.

Ethanol rated cloth covered fuel line
https://www.belmetric.com/multifuel-hoseethanol-ap...-9852.html

ABA stainless clamps
https://www.belmetric.com/stainless-steel-screw-cl...-5674.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

amishman wrote:
All I see is german style fuel hose now from at least the pictures.

Since then all has been changed to Flennor smooth hose.
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Ethanol rated cloth covered fuel line
https://www.belmetric.com/multifuel-hoseethanol-ap...-9852.html

I like the looks of that. Is it as bullet-proof as the smooth cover?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

ToolBox wrote:
Might want to rethink the cloth covered hose if you do not know if it's rated for ethanol blended fuels. Your bus will look cooler going down the road with the correctly rated hose than on fire with incorrectly rated hose.

Ethanol rated cloth covered fuel line
https://www.belmetric.com/multifuel-hoseethanol-ap...-9852.html

ABA stainless clamps
https://www.belmetric.com/stainless-steel-screw-cl...-5674.html


Thanks for that!

As I am not sure how the Continental brand of VW fuel hose is rated, I will buy some of the brand you show above, and only this Flennor brand will be used in the engine bay.

My fuel filter is already used outside of the engine bay, so good there, and now I am switching to the metal fuel line I just ordered from WW to be used inside the engine bay. So the small piece of hose to connect to the fuel pump and the foot or so from the fuel pump to carb will be this flennor brand.

I have 5' of brand new Continental brand and I will either go ahead and use the couple feet or so needed under the bus from the fuel tank to the metal line, and replace that every year or two, or just hold into and keep in a spare parts bag to take on longer trips if ever needed in an emergency.

Unless someone knows if the Continental brand is OKed for up to 10% ethanol use, which seems the norm here in NorCal.

So parts ordered... and I will order some flennor now along with some extra clamps.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

I just went ahead and purchased 9' of flennor hose and will even use it under the bus now also and use the Continental as spare parts stash which would be fine for emergencies. And 8 of the nicer clamps too. Wink TJ
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:21 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

Humm, maybe my thread only works for me? You can see discussion on pg 29, I still can't find the three position spark plug wire bracket to put the fuel line in the middle position. I may just call WW or other vendor as my search isn't helpful. I also need the fuel line bracket on left side of fan shroud. So still a work in progress. Tips appreciated, I'll assume the info will be posted here as you will be doing the same thing. Good to hear you are getting your Westy ready for camping Amishman as I need to do the same.

See pg 29 and great tips mentioned.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0




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LAGrunthaner wrote:
Hi Amishman nice to see you posting. I remember that line for my 67 too. I'm glad I was informed on the correct orientation.

Wow 10 years ago:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...;start=560


Thanks LAGrunthaner! I did find your pictures last night but had not found yet your thread so was most helpful to read this AM.

Ordering parts soon.

Be Well

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

Your thread is good. In fact I copied the orientation of the metal line picture on my computer so when it arrives, I can look at that before heading out to my shop.

Hopefully in the coming week or two I can knock out this project.

TJ

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Humm, maybe my thread only works for me? You can see discussion on pg 29, I still can't find the three position spark plug wire bracket to put the fuel line in the middle position. I may just call WW or other vendor as my search isn't helpful. I also need the fuel line bracket on left side of fan shroud. So still a work in progress. Tips appreciated, I'll assume the info will be posted here as you will be doing the same thing. Good to hear you are getting your Westy ready for camping Amishman as I need to do the same.

See pg 29 and great tips mentioned.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0




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LAGrunthaner wrote:
Hi Amishman nice to see you posting. I remember that line for my 67 too. I'm glad I was informed on the correct orientation.

Wow 10 years ago:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...;start=560


Thanks LAGrunthaner! I did find your pictures last night but had not found yet your thread so was most helpful to read this AM.

Ordering parts soon.

Be Well

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

Fret not if the pipe doesn't have mounting points. Just come out of the front tin grommet and perfectly align the pipe with the pump inlet. That will be fine for the pipe. If you have to clip it to the shroud you can do this with a hardware store piece.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

BarryL, or anyone, what is the name of the three position spark plug wire bracket as I can't locate one in a search to purchase.

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Fret not if the pipe doesn't have mounting points. Just come out of the front tin grommet and perfectly align the pipe with the pump inlet. That will be fine for the pipe. If you have to clip it to the shroud you can do this with a hardware store piece.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

LAGrunthaner wrote:
BarryL, or anyone, what is the name of the three position spark plug wire bracket as I can't locate one in a search to purchase.

BarryL wrote:
Fret not if the pipe doesn't have mounting points. Just come out of the front tin grommet and perfectly align the pipe with the pump inlet. That will be fine for the pipe. If you have to clip it to the shroud you can do this with a hardware store piece.
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https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113905451B

IGNITION CABLE HOLDER, 3 slots 1 for fuel line 2 for ignition cables, secures cables to fan shroud, 1963 and later carbureted Bug and Bus, each
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

Thank you ToolBox.

ToolBox wrote:
LAGrunthaner wrote:
BarryL, or anyone, what is the name of the three position spark plug wire bracket as I can't locate one in a search to purchase.

BarryL wrote:
Fret not if the pipe doesn't have mounting points. Just come out of the front tin grommet and perfectly align the pipe with the pump inlet. That will be fine for the pipe. If you have to clip it to the shroud you can do this with a hardware store piece.
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https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113905451B

IGNITION CABLE HOLDER, 3 slots 1 for fuel line 2 for ignition cables, secures cables to fan shroud, 1963 and later carbureted Bug and Bus, each

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: 1967 Fuel Line Questions Reply with quote

The metal line and grommet arrived from WW along with a few other things I needed to get (new wiper blades and a few other nicknacks... and today my Belmetric package arrived with the Flennor hose and nice clamps. I hope to be busy tomorrow in my shop!

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