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challomoner Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2010 Posts: 1214 Location: IRELAND
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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I'd give it 5-10 years before driving an old vw will become impossible here in Ireland. Our current minister for transport is a green and wants 1 car to serve 10 households.
As always Irish government ministers like to be best boys and girls in class when it comes to stuff like this, where they claim we can set great examples for the rest of the world to follow.
Time to thin out the fleet for me. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34009 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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The environmental cost of building a new car far outweighs the meager resources needed to keep an older car on the road. This is just woke ignorance. |
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7944 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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baz76 wrote: |
Our current minister for transport is a green and wants 1 car to serve 10 households.
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_________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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challomoner Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2010 Posts: 1214 Location: IRELAND
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3442 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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Glad all the idiots arent in the usa, lol |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12730 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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While for the most part I agree with you fellows, there are a few things I would put on the "You will not drive your vintage vehicle (or any vehicle) on public roads if..."
-Heating and defrost system disabled or missing. (this could be subject to a summer use only clause)
-Wipers/washer disabled or missing.
-Extreme lowering and/or roof line reduction of the vehicle (ability to see other traffic impeded)
-Extreme raising of vehicle (no frames/bumpers/bush guards at the window height of the average vehicle)
-Extreme wheel offset and or wheel alignment angles.
-upgraded (more power) power trains must be accompanied by an appropriately up graded braking system.
Those come to mind as safety concerns off the top of my head. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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oprn wrote: |
While for the most part I agree with you fellows, there are a few things I would put on the "You will not drive your vintage vehicle (or any vehicle) on public roads if..."
-Heating and defrost system disabled or missing. (this could be subject to a summer use only clause)
-Wipers/washer disabled or missing.
-Extreme lowering and/or roof line reduction of the vehicle (ability to see other traffic impeded)
-Extreme raising of vehicle (no frames/bumpers/bush guards at the window height of the average vehicle)
-Extreme wheel offset and or wheel alignment angles.
-upgraded (more power) power trains must be accompanied by an appropriately up graded braking system.
Those come to mind as safety concerns off the top of my head. |
Now this I can agree with.
But this thread started with a guy worried his vintage car would be taken off the road because it wasn't "factory" because he actually made it more modern.
Mods are one thing, EXTREME mods are something completely different.
There has to be some common sense used. Unfortunately many legislatures lack this attribute. |
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4189 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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If this is true, we lose the essence of modifying our beloved cars. I for one am a purist, but love to see slammed cars on earlies. That's one of our freedoms, we get to drive what we want. The fact a car is customized, doesn't necessarily mean it is unsafe. The law has to be more clear as to what is considered unsafe. ALL the laws are there, and if your car fits within those parameters, go ahead, build away. But don't take away customization! This is why hot rods, buggies, meyers manx and so on exist! _________________ I'd be UNSTOPPABLE if not for Law Enforcement and PHYSICS.
I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7944 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:44 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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like most 'good ideas' car sharing sounds great until you factor in realistic human behaviour. after all it seems we can't even share bicycles...
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/graveyard-bikes-chinas-failed-share-042524703.html _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22665 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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Dropping a cinder block in front of a lowered car on the Freeway is one of the great pleasures in life _________________ .ssS! |
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nicholastanguma Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2009 Posts: 92 Location: LA and SF
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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Abscate wrote: |
Dropping a cinder block in front of a lowered car on the Freeway is one of the great pleasures in life |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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Abscate wrote: |
Dropping a cinder block in front of a lowered car on the Freeway is one of the great pleasures in life |
WTF? |
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turbotype1 Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2005 Posts: 582 Location: seacoast
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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Pruneman99 wrote: |
The legislation is written by people that couldn't tell a carburetor from a valve cover. |
You misspelled ass from a hole in the wall.... _________________
117harv wrote: |
This new fad of get it the lowest, or run it with the worst looks, (patina) isn't cool, it's for the hey everyone look at me crowd, i'm driving a beat down ratty, unsafe, VW, how cool am I ???...your not....
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Pissing off the purists since 1997
Wanted: Boyd Motors plate frame
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2009 Posts: 3382
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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As much as I like cars ( owning them, working on them, etc.) I have always known that driving is nothing more than a privilege provided by the state. It may take a while longer but the end of many parts of this hobby is in sight. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34009 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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Manfred58sc wrote: |
I have always known that driving is nothing more than a privilege provided by the state. |
Not all would agree with this position. While the state has the ability to regulate many aspects of our lives, including our transportation choices, the free movement on public land is a right, not a privilege. The argument is over the point regulation becomes prohibition, and the latter is not the state's right to make. |
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nicholastanguma Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2009 Posts: 92 Location: LA and SF
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Manfred58sc wrote: |
I have always known that driving is nothing more than a privilege provided by the state. |
Not all would agree with this position. While the state has the ability to regulate many aspects of our lives, including our transportation choices, the free movement on public land is a right, not a privilege. The argument is over the point regulation becomes prohibition, and the latter is not the state's right to make. |
Don't run for office, you're probably not corrupt enough to win. |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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Almost all roads have time, place, and manner restrictions ( no walking along side interstates, no hitch hiking, etc.etc.). The amount of law concerning access to public space is tremendous ( starting with the Cumberland gap road in the early 1800's), it consistently defines driving (per se) as a privilege. Pure ownership w/o driving rights will be in place ( many Japanese collectors have cars just as show pieces in upper end homes- I was involved in that market 30 years ago) long after the ability to street them.
Even the adoption of E-vehicles has rapidly brought on new fees/taxation schemes since the states will loose gasoline tax revenue. That burden will be assessed to all vehicles regardless of propulsion. The EU adjustments are just movement to these inevitable trends. I'm sure the horse and buggy crowd fought and complained like hell as they were forced off the roads. Enjoy the hobby now and prepare for change.
I'm not running for any public office, ever. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 21518 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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Manfred58sc wrote: |
Almost all roads have time, place, and manner restrictions ( no walking along side interstates, no hitch hiking, etc.etc.). The amount of law concerning access to public space is tremendous ( starting with the Cumberland gap road in the early 1800's), it consistently defines driving (per se) as a privilege. Pure ownership w/o driving rights will be in place ( many Japanese collectors have cars just as show pieces in upper end homes- I was involved in that market 30 years ago) long after the ability to street them.
Even the adoption of E-vehicles has rapidly brought on new fees/taxation schemes since the states will loose gasoline tax revenue. That burden will be assessed to all vehicles regardless of propulsion. The EU adjustments are just movement to these inevitable trends. I'm sure the horse and buggy crowd fought and complained like hell as they were forced off the roads. Enjoy the hobby now and prepare for change.
I'm not running for any public office, ever. |
I have had this nightmare daydream for a while now.....that automotive life will get to be a combination of f*ked in several ways......like gasoline will become passé/illegal/out of production except small quantities and I have to buy small amounts on the black market. And....gas powered cars will not be allowed on public roads anymore. And...I get too old to be allowed to drive my classic VW anyway.......
.....so thinking of buying something like a meager three acres or so on the edge of town (thats a little more than a 360' x 360' square). Put a fence up around it. Pave a circle track about 350 feet in diameter with a crossover and a garage through the center.
Come out two days a week and throw in 2.5 gallons of illegal fuel....and drive my unlicensed ass around in a circle with the stereo jamming....not fast....but it may be all we have left at some point in time.
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22665 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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The imminent taxation of EV on per mile basis is one of the strong dampers to EV growth, once people suddenly lose the economic fuel advantage of their tinker toy , the market will stutter
Ice won’t go away in our lifetime, Ray, but I’ll buy some time on your track as Plan E(v) _________________ .ssS! |
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7944 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Is This Really Happening In Europe? |
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roll up! roll up! enjoy the thrills of classic motoring - with engine and gear sounds!
_________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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