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Daddiosmellio Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2021 Posts: 2 Location: Chilliwack BC
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Hi, Im new here. Just bought this. Located British Columbia Canada. Ive been trying to figure out what it is for a week. Been close but no cigar
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matthewl Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2014 Posts: 328
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Daddiosmellio Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2021 Posts: 2 Location: Chilliwack BC
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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matthewl wrote: |
I don't know what it is other than a nice one. I like the wheels what size are the rears if you don't mind me asking. |
I'll have a look when I get home |
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Coasty Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2017 Posts: 13 Location: BEND OREGON
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Any idea of what model buggy this is? I went through all 30 pages and each pic and didn't see one that matched this.
Thanks,
Pat |
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Marlin Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2010 Posts: 85 Location: Braselton Ga
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Looks to be an El Lobo |
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Yep. It's an El Lobo. There's are other brand names that body was sold under, Lido, Le Tigre, Enos 500. Most common seems to be El Lobo. Made in So Cal.
Another source of info is Dune Buggy Archives.
http://www.dunebuggyarchives.com/decision-tree/leafs/BuggyId/?first=e
Unfortunately, all the pictures were stored on Photobucket. Then new owners of Photobucket got greedy and turned it into PhotoToilet. Damned shame because it had taken a decade or more to compile those thousands of photos contributed by users of the site. I had contributed some. But I don't remember which ones, or I would try to re-contribute them if there were a new place to store them permanently and always accessible to the public.
Maybe in the Gallery here, but how long will this site last. It seems most of the membership has moved on to Facebook these days, Although that just doesn't come close to the experience here. And where do you store photos that are posted on Facebook? And how long will they be available for reference. Damned hard to look up something that was posted on there before.
So for now, it would probably be best to post them up here. _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
Retired from building Bajas, Fiberglass Buggies and Rails in the Mojave Desert. Also Sprints & Midgets, Dry Lakes, Road Race cars. All types New and Vintage
SoCalBajas Member
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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As an addendum to the above...
Posting the pictures in the Gallery here does NOT sort them by brand, nor does it do much to identify the buggy, as many of the pictures do not have any accurate description of what is shown. Once in a awhile you can look up a certain brand by name if you know it and find a picture or more of what you are looking for. More often not. If you don't know what brand it is, All you can do is look through the photos to see if there is one that is like what you're looking for and it's identified. Slim chance on that.
So you can still only read through them in this thread page by page, post by post...well, most are posted by someone wondering what it is that they have. _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
Retired from building Bajas, Fiberglass Buggies and Rails in the Mojave Desert. Also Sprints & Midgets, Dry Lakes, Road Race cars. All types New and Vintage
SoCalBajas Member
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Mr. Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2021 Posts: 4 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Hi guys,
This is my first post so please let me know if I am in the correct area. I know so little about these vehicles, but was always intruiged. A cousin of mine decided to get rid of her buggy and gave me dibs since I have shown interest in the past. We are not close as I see her probably once a year at family reunions. Anyways, can anyone here provide any information on what she has, the value, etc.
Here is what I know:
Registered as 1972
Has 1969 Porsche engine
There is a drain on the battery somewhere which I will need to fix
She says she paid $6500 a few years back and is offering it to me for the same price
She knows VERY little about the specifics of the car. She just always wanted one and enjoyed driving it a lot over the past few years
Seafoam Green
They have a custom top for it, but sending me pictures of that today
She says it's a Manx, but I am not sure if it really is
Sorry I know so little, but I should have more/better pictures sometime soon. Thanks to anyone who can shed ANY light on this!
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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I don't' think it's a "REAL" Manx. But it looks nice.
I can't see enough of the engine to verify that it's a "Porsche". I don't think it is. But it IS possible. It LOOKS like a VW Type 1 engine. We would need more pics of the engine to verify what it really is. Some Porsche engines would pretty much bolt into an otherwise VW based buggy. And some "Porsche" engines are really VW engines that were used in the Porsche 914 which had a plate under the hood saying that it was manufactured by Volkswagen for Porsche. There ARE slight differences between the VW Type 4 engine used in VW Type 4 cars and early 1970s Buses and the ones used in Porsche 914s. Doesn't look like a Type 4. There is also the 1950s and early 1960s Porsche 356 4 cylinder engine and the late 60s Porsche 912 4cylinder engine.
But as I said above, we would need pictures of the engine to tell.
It's likely to be worth the asking price as it is. VW Engine in decent running condition. No tears in the upholstery. _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
Retired from building Bajas, Fiberglass Buggies and Rails in the Mojave Desert. Also Sprints & Midgets, Dry Lakes, Road Race cars. All types New and Vintage
SoCalBajas Member
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Mr. Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2021 Posts: 4 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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dustymojave wrote: |
I don't' think it's a "REAL" Manx. But it looks nice.
I can't see enough of the engine to verify that it's a "Porsche". I don't think it is. But it IS possible. It LOOKS like a VW Type 1 engine. We would need more pics of the engine to verify what it really is. Some Porsche engines would pretty much bolt into an otherwise VW based buggy. And some "Porsche" engines are really VW engines that were used in the Porsche 914 which had a plate under the hood saying that it was manufactured by Volkswagen for Porsche. There ARE slight differences between the VW Type 4 engine used in VW Type 4 cars and early 1970s Buses and the ones used in Porsche 914s. Doesn't look like a Type 4. There is also the 1950s and early 1960s Porsche 356 4 cylinder engine and the late 60s Porsche 912 4cylinder engine.
But as I said above, we would need pictures of the engine to tell.
It's likely to be worth the asking price as it is. VW Engine in decent running condition. No tears in the upholstery. |
Thank you SO much for taking the time to write. I am just digging into this world so I am a total newbie. Here are some more photos if it sheds any more light on it. Thanks again!
Mr. Wolfe |
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Mr. Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2021 Posts: 4 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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I didn't think it was a Porsche engine, but just passing information on as I get it. I do, however, have an air-cooled...
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Well you DO have 1 air cooled Porsche. And it's a VERY nice one.
The engine in the buggy is DEFINITELY a VW Bug (aka Type 1) with single port heads. Probably 1600cc. Those heads were used on Bugs from 1966-70. The carb is a stock Solex 30PICT-2 or -3 from 1968 to 1970. Possibly an H30/31PICT, which was never used on Production VW Bugs for the US market, but was used on 1300cc Bugs in Mexico and Brazil and sold here as a replacement carb. It should say on the side of the bowl which it is. The distributor is a Bosch 009, non-vacuum advance unit. Some folks have trouble with an off-idle bog with that combination of carb and distributor. Not that either the distributor or the carb is bad, just not designed to work together. If you have that issue, fix is to either replace the carb or the distributor. A single vacuum advance distributor or a 30PICT-1 carb is the easy fix. About the same cost and difficulty either way.
You can look at the engine case serial number under the generator stand and look it up in the "Technical" tab above, VIN/Chassis Numbers - Type 1 to see what it is. It might have "AS-41" cast on the right side of the crankcase sump. That would be a case intended for a 1600 1971-74 or replacement. If it has no serial number under the generator stand, it is a replacement case.
It has a generator, NOT an alternator. An alternator could be fitted to it if the right stand is used, but the regulator would need to be changed or wired around to match.
The buggy looks pretty well built. I suspect it has IRS rear suspension, which is actually pretty similar to early 911 suspension. The 4-lug wheels say it is probably 1966 or later ball joint front suspension to go with the IRS rear.
You can tell what year VW Bug the chassis is from by looking just ahead of the rear fiberglass panel in the cockpit, on top of the tunnel there is an access plate for the shift linkage coupling. Just in front of that should be a VIN stamped in the top of the tunnel. You can check that on that list I sent you to for the engine. _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
Retired from building Bajas, Fiberglass Buggies and Rails in the Mojave Desert. Also Sprints & Midgets, Dry Lakes, Road Race cars. All types New and Vintage
SoCalBajas Member
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Mr. Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2021 Posts: 4 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Richard you are awesome and very generous. Your knowledge is both extensive and super-helpful. Let me digest everything you wrote and do some research myself. Again, thank you very much!
Mr. Wolfe
dustymojave wrote: |
Well you DO have 1 air cooled Porsche. And it's a VERY nice one.
The engine in the buggy is DEFINITELY a VW Bug (aka Type 1) with single port heads. Probably 1600cc. Those heads were used on Bugs from 1966-70. The carb is a stock Solex 30PICT-2 or -3 from 1968 to 1970. Possibly an H30/31PICT, which was never used on Production VW Bugs for the US market, but was used on 1300cc Bugs in Mexico and Brazil and sold here as a replacement carb. It should say on the side of the bowl which it is. The distributor is a Bosch 009, non-vacuum advance unit. Some folks have trouble with an off-idle bog with that combination of carb and distributor. Not that either the distributor or the carb is bad, just not designed to work together. If you have that issue, fix is to either replace the carb or the distributor. A single vacuum advance distributor or a 30PICT-1 carb is the easy fix. About the same cost and difficulty either way.
You can look at the engine case serial number under the generator stand and look it up in the "Technical" tab above, VIN/Chassis Numbers - Type 1 to see what it is. It might have "AS-41" cast on the right side of the crankcase sump. That would be a case intended for a 1600 1971-74 or replacement. If it has no serial number under the generator stand, it is a replacement case.
It has a generator, NOT an alternator. An alternator could be fitted to it if the right stand is used, but the regulator would need to be changed or wired around to match.
The buggy looks pretty well built. I suspect it has IRS rear suspension, which is actually pretty similar to early 911 suspension. The 4-lug wheels say it is probably 1966 or later ball joint front suspension to go with the IRS rear.
You can tell what year VW Bug the chassis is from by looking just ahead of the rear fiberglass panel in the cockpit, on top of the tunnel there is an access plate for the shift linkage coupling. Just in front of that should be a VIN stamped in the top of the tunnel. You can check that on that list I sent you to for the engine. |
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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_________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
Retired from building Bajas, Fiberglass Buggies and Rails in the Mojave Desert. Also Sprints & Midgets, Dry Lakes, Road Race cars. All types New and Vintage
SoCalBajas Member
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Thame9 Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2021 Posts: 2 Location: AL
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Can you help me identify the possible manufacturer of my old buggy? My parents bought this in 1978 from somewhere in the Southern United States. My dad assembled it. Driven a few years very little. Stored in a Barn since at least 1982 or 1983. Just pulled it out and am working to have it restored. But would like to be able to identify the manufacturer. So far unable to locate an marks, names or numbers on the body. Any ideas or suggestions?
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MrGoodtunes Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2012 Posts: 849 Location: South Florida
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Thame9 Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2021 Posts: 2 Location: AL
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Thanks so much MrGoodtunes! I appreciate you taking the time to help me! |
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4925 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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Baja Buck wrote: |
This buggy followed me home. It is on a 69 pan with a 1600 engine. Any idea on who made the body? The ribs on the side seem very unique.
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... looks like a 'roll bar' made from exhaust pipe.
NO safety in that...
bnc _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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Air George Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2016 Posts: 25 Location: Monroe Twp New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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anybody ever see this one before. ? |
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Air George Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2016 Posts: 25 Location: Monroe Twp New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Identify the Buggy! |
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its fitting this split bus mountain buggy chassis niceley. Body was cut for some reason but no fiberglass is missing. The frame will need to be shortened another 3 inches. So body meets back up where it was cut. The craftsmanship on this thing is incredible. Im losing sleep. Trying to place this thing. I jist got it a few wks ago but Im positive Ive seen the body before I believe it was a wtb add 3-5 yrs ago on the site. |
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