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Trylon
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 Posted: Fri May 07, 2021 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Ain’t these something?
My wife thought they were a Mother’s Day jewelry gift.
Those pivots are one of the most compelling designs on the entire car!
Thought I would just pop ‘em on.
Ha.
So where exactly do the pivot screws screw into? Anyone have a picture of the area without a headliner to give me some idea what I am hunting for?
And found that the screw for clamping the other end of the visor is a bit big. Need to widen the hole. But these visors seem so hard to come by I am not looking forward to ruining them.
Yep, just pop ‘em on.
Did some wiper motor research and realized that an assumption I made was incorrect. I thought the motor was two speed and that the middle terminal could be ignored as it was for the second speed.
Not so:
It is a single speed (upper diagram) and the middle terminal needs to be wired to a grounded wiper switch. For some reason I am not grasping the layout of this motor. I understand the parking concept but do not understand the need for the extra grounding wire back to the switch.
When the switch is pulled on, power is applied to 54d and to the motor as it goes through it to the ground on the motor.
When the switch is pushed off, power is applied to 54 and, if the cam hasn’t turned to the park position and broken the circuit, the motor turns as it goes through it to the ground on the motor. Once the wipers are in park, the cam breaks the circuit and the motor stops.
So why is the ground wire back to the grounded switch necessary?
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Trylon
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2021 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Ha— small wonder I didn’t understand this!
Link
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Trylon
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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“Your wipers should be silver.”
Remove wipers and motor
Find and purchase wiper mount
Purchase wiper motor
Purchase 12v armature
Exchange armatures
Purchase wiper hardware
Find and purchase screw terminal wiper switch
Have hacked mount removed / correct mount painted and welded
Test motor
Clean and re-grease motor
Find motor mount bolts
Install hardware
Mount motor
Partially wire motor
Test wired motor
Adjust wipers
Research parking circuit
Complete motor / switch wiring
Mount switch
Test and debug
Wipers are silver.
Removed clock:
Going to test it with direct power source. It ran but and kept time for a while and then would slow. Hoping it was just a ground problem.
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Trylon
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Tested the clock:
Funny how it doesn’t register any amperage.
Ran 6 hours just fine, so cleaned it up and shined up the ground points on the clock as well as where it mounts on the dash (had been thick with paint). Popped out the fuel gauge — was surprised it came out through the interior:
Not quite sure how to test it. Sweep through voltages simulating variable resistor?
Seems that all the gauges are screw terminal. Not sure what I was expecting.
Nice!
Still searching for a screw terminal headlight switch.
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1973 Volkswagen Bus
1970 MGB-GT
1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire
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Trylon
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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“Tested” the fuel gauge.
Give it 1 volt and pegged it. Went to 9+ amps.
Realized that I needed to limit amperage. Put it down to almost nothing and still pegged it.
Guess my understanding is failing again.
Just hope I haven’t killed the guage.
Pulled the speedometer today:
Funny that I didn’t realize the only powered items on it are lights.
Found the “missing” one on the old harness.
So its now or never for the vent thing.
The good news (and it is really good) is that it fits. Thought for sure that the modification to the brake fluid container was going to cause an insurmountable problem.
The bad news is these flimsy joint seals:
Going to visit my local bike shop and see if I can get some thick inner tube.
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1959 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia
1979 Volkswagen Rabbit
1973 Volkswagen Bus
1970 MGB-GT
1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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| Trylon wrote: |
So its now or never for the vent thing.
The good news (and it is really good) is that it fits. Thought for sure that the modification to the brake fluid container was going to cause an insurmountable problem.
The bad news is these flimsy joint seals:
Going to visit my local bike shop and see if I can get some thick inner tube. |
I bought the same seals. That's not impressive!! Gotta wonder why these companies that make reproduction parts can't do a better job. I don't think I've had a good experience with any reproduction parts.
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2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
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Trylon
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Let’s see how tubing works.
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c21darrel
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Trylon
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Thought about it but wonder how air tight that would be.
The sad thing is we are on hold until I get it right. Really would hate to have to dismantle everything to do it again.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Trylon
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Went on a hunt for something to join the vent ducts.
Bicycle shop was a no go — what they had is about the thickness of a animal ballon. Hardware store had plumbing stuff but too stiff and thick to jockey it on...and it would look pretty clunky. Their heat shrink stuff was not big enough.
Have ordered two possible things from Amazon (here tomorrow?!)— a supposedly thick bicycle inner tube (we will see) and a 1 1/4 heat shrink wrap that is supposedly weather proof (we will see).
Continued wiring odyssey.
Seems that the horns are spade terminals and, as far as I am concerned, they are staying that way if necessary.
Looked into screw terminal horn relay but they are only 6 volt. I get the impression that relays need to be the correct voltage so we are likely stuck with our spade terminal 12 volt one.
Hacksawed off that unsightly grounding tree
Have to find some red paint that is in the ballpark.
While I was hacking, I needed to take some breaks. Looked at the visors again and noted that there are in fact holes for the pivot screws after all! Not sure how I missed them, probably poor light. Anyway, I thought maybe now we might “pop” on the visors and hardware.
Ha.
First, I needed to ream out the visors both the hold for the rod as well as the hole for the screw clamp hardware. Then it was quite a harrowing production to try to get the visor on the rod deep enough so that the pivot screws lined up. I was deathly afraid of cracking these irreplaceable items. With a lot of care and some dishwashing liquid lubricant, I did finally get the drivers side visor lined up... only to find that the screws do not seem to have any hold. Not sure if I missed the holes or they are stripped.
Ok, to find out, I tried the passenger side and managed to get one screw to hold. So I started to try and get that visor on but try as I might I can’t seem to get it to go the final 1/4 inch it needs to line up.
Left popping on the visors for another day.
Looked for wires that have to do with the turn signals and only found short attachments on the main harness. Removed the block and opened up the lever to see that the wires there are soldered on:
So I am going to have to do some research and testing to see what goes with what. The good news is I think the colors are original.
I also came across a two wire assembly for the wiper motor after all (no ground wire though). As I have already gotten that working, I will leave installing that to a cold weather project.
Finally, on this busy day, the brake light switch came:
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Try going back to the guy who did the nice paint job on your Ghia and see if they had any left over. Whenever I get a paint job, I always ask them for a small can for touch up on areas I inevitably scratch up, or where I need to touch up an area like you have from removing something. It's worth a shot. At a minimum, he may be able to mix up a small amount for you.
Jeff
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Trylon
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:48 am Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Now that I think about it I remember the PO provided something...
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1973 Volkswagen Bus
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1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire
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Trylon
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:54 am Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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So where can I find the screw terminal harness connector show in the lower picture?
I have exhausted all the search terms I can think of.
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1979 Volkswagen Rabbit
1973 Volkswagen Bus
1970 MGB-GT
1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire
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PeteSC
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:35 am Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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| Trylon wrote: |
So where can I find the screw terminal harness connector show in the lower picture?
I have exhausted all the search terms I can think of. |
Sure you didn't order one already? I sometimes buy stuff, sit it on a shelf and forget that I ever bought it. You had asked back in October about getting one:
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Thanks Pete! |
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Trylon
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:40 am Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Thanks — again — Pete.
I did look into this ad but the 7 connector was sold. I’ll be darned if I can find any others so thought there may be some hoard under some magical name.
Can’t seem to find any others...
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1973 Volkswagen Bus
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1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire
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PeteSC
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 6:48 am Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Ah, gotcha. Sometimes they're referred to as terminal blocks. I don't know of a reproduction source.
This might work as a temporary solution until you can find an original one:
https://tinyurl.com/24rb6mff
(hacksaw can easily make it a 7 connector) |
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Trylon
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 7:00 am Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Hey, I have a hacksaw!
Thanks!
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1973 Volkswagen Bus
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Trylon
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Well, neither item is going to work for the ducts. It does seem that heat shrink tubing might be right but who knew there were so many options for it? Seems to be a repeated tale— have a problem, solution seems obvious, then choice overload kicks in and its pay-to-learn. Will pay more tomorrow.
Meanwhile, had a go at the turn signal lever.
Noticed there is a missing spring:
So “obviously” I need a new spring. I wonder how many options there are for that.
Turns out that the best I could do was to give a first pass guess at its wiring:
Gonna be a fun trial and error session with that!
I think I may have moved the visor 1/32 of an inch closer.
Tested out the horn relay and it seems to be fine. That said, I am going to have to mutilate the wires to attach spades to them.
Thought I’d have go at installing the brake light switch only to find I don’t have the right tools for the cramped space and inclination of the current one.
Didn’t this used to be fun?
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1959 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia
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1973 Volkswagen Bus
1970 MGB-GT
1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire
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VeloMikey
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever |
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Post a pic of the mirror again. Maybe it's a 56-57 which uses the plexi visors and the shafts are shorter or a late 59 which uses padded visors.
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