Kadron plug and play setup from Kaddie Shack

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I have a 1600 DP, EMPI extractor, SVDA.
Thinking about pulling the trigger on a set of Brosol /Kadron all setup by those guys with a few options and the good linkage.
Plug & Play sort of.
Your thoughts?

[grandpa red]

My 72 came with that set up but with the lower end linkage.Runs good.
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[APPLEGREENVW]

Buy this setup.
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02/76 Beetle sedan

[mschulze]

Do it. They do good work and have good customer service, at least in my experience.
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[obieoberstar]

do the idf's instead.

had some Kadrons on the bus but have been much happier with the tuneability of the idf carburetor.

[Bug53]

Don’t really want Weber’s and all the jetting / tuning stuff that goes along with them.
Don’t really want to go the electric fuel pump, regulator, route either.

Educate me.
Maybe I’m wrong.

[Rome]

Jetting/tuning: You should inquire if the 40 IDFs are set up with jetting for a 1600 engine, such as 28 mm venturies, 115 main jet, and approx. 50 idles. That will get you very close to ideal. The adjustment of the IDF will be needed just line on Kadrons or any other dual carbs as to the linkage settings and the mixture/airflow at idle. IDFs take up more space in the engine compartment, but there are work-arounds for that. Same with Kads; you install them with the air cleaners off so that you have space to reach down from above and get to the front attachment nuts for the manifolds.

As to the Kads- They will provide a significant improvement in performance over the stock Solex single carb. I've done several 1600 engines with Kads (stock and very mild upgrades, with 009 distrib. and a header) and they are lively. IDFs on the same engine are also very nice, and add maybe 5-8 more hp than the Kads. I've also used the original Kad linkage which can work well if you address the weak points, and also a Scat center swivel linkage.

You still have your engine out of the car? If so, remove the fan shroud with the gen/alt to get the stock manifold off easily. Put the shroud back on and test-fit the Kads and manifolds so that you can verify the carb body clearance to the sides of the fan shroud. Then take them off the engine, and put rags into the intake ports or tape them off for the install back into the car. When you start with the Kad installation once the engine is in the car, mount the carb onto each manifold and put one assembly onto the head without the air cleaner. Push down and wiggle the carb so that you are sure the manifold is seated down fully onto the gasket.

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[Rome]

On the 3 or 4 different engines on which I had the Kads, I always had OG fresh air fan shrouds. I don't remember an interference issue with the carb bodies. The original Kad air cleaners I usually had were not centered concentric with the carb throats. This off-center carb throat bore enabled you to rotate them to get clearance between the shroud edge and the side of the engine compartment. If the current air cleaners have centered carb bore holes, then you lose that adjustment possibility but are probably OK.

Does KaddyShack test-run each set so that once you get it, you know it'll run well right from the start? Though chances are that you still need to adjust the linkage crossbars to accomodate the slight differences in width from KS' test engine to yours.

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[oprn]

Because Kadrons are both the same and not mirror images like most duals there is one idle screw that is virtually impossible to adjust in the car. Very frustrating!
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[Brian_e]

The idle speed screws are easy, and with a good linkage, you can get away with only using one side.

The idle MIX screws can be tough unless you have the right tools, then it's cake.

On the pass. side, just get the larger extended thumb screw. You can reach right in and turn it by hand. On the drivers side, go to the hardware store and get a 18-24" long thin blade screw driver. You can reach from behind the fan shroud just above the doghouse cooler, and it is a perfect straight shot to the mix screw. Super easy.

As for the Kads Vs. IDF debate.....I have used both on lots of engines. With new china IDF's, and a CB offset linkage kit, the IDF's are almost cheaper total. I base my decision on the personality of the driver. If they need super simple and reliable, they get Kad's. If they don't mind fidgeting with stuff, and the car is a toy for them, they can have the IDF's. IDF's can be finicky. Kad's will work with a handful of dirt in them. They are one step up from a shitter complexity.

IDF's need some understanding from the owner. It's not tough, but some guys refuse to learn. They also get Kad's.

Brian
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[Alstrup]

[Bug53]

If it were like years ago where I went to my speed shop and bought jets,etc. IDF’s were the way to go. Now everything is 7-10days from Cal.
East coast is out of the loop.
Takes two months to set up a car unless it all works the first time.

[Brian_e]

Kadron idle jets are the same as stock solex idles, and the mains are the same as large Mikuni motorcycle jets. The Mikuni jets are smaller size jumps, and they seem to be cheaper also.

Maybe they have more motorcycle shops over there.

Brian
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[unclebilly]

I have kadrons on my Baja with a 1600DP and stinger. It makes (made) great power...

One of the air filter wing nuts rattled off followed by the top of the air filter... how do you think that went?

Clearly rain has now gotten in and my engine is seized (discovered this latest advancement today).

I’d suggest you install a locknut below the top of the air cleaner or a tube around the stud so you can positively tighten up the air cleaner nuts...

What a disaster.

[Rome]

[oprn]

The Kadron air cleaners that came on my Manx copy had also worked loose. While the overhang of the body prevented any water from getting in, not so much with the road dust. Both carbs were very dirty inside, the right being much worse than the left. The engine used copious amounts of oil which was good for mosquito control but did nothing for my pride of ownership...
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